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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: AaronN322]
#363690 - 20/03/22 04:07 AM

congratulation, you get it for a good price so there will be money left over for export. do you have a plan how to get it into the united states?
rifles for pinfire cartridges are allwasy rare and I see never more than 1- 3 over a year for sale.
this one is very special with the brass action what would be enough for a short carbine cartridge.
the peep sight is very strange. looking forward what for a cartridge it will be.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#365059 - 30/04/22 01:47 AM

a husqvarna catalog for sale in sweden showing the hussvarna model 17 a combination gun with 20, 24 or 28 rifle barrels. while I know one of the pages never see when they were offered. thought by myself mabye up to 1914 but this catalog is printed in 1931!
https://www.tradera.com/de/item/301784/538225006/husqvarna-skjutvapen-katalog-

they offer loaded rounds in 20, 24 and 28 ga., brass cases, primer and roundballs

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#367599 - 09/07/22 03:27 AM

21 mm - 8 bore double rifle by MANuFACTURE FRANCAISE D'ARMES ET CYCLES DE ST. ETIENNE
https://www.czernys.com/asta-122/?o=100331

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#367643 - 11/07/22 03:56 AM

This 8-bore should've in my safe!

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: NitroX]
#367657 - 11/07/22 07:36 AM

Lancaster, Thanks for posting. This seems like a fun gun to have. While the current bid proce is 1.500 Euros, I winder what is t=will sell for?

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: 85lc]
#367687 - 11/07/22 10:30 PM

E1500 for the 8-bore double so far. No idea of its condition. Reading King Solomon's Mines again currently where three pairs of 8-bore doubles are featured.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: NitroX]
#367689 - 12/07/22 12:20 AM

Fromthe pictures, it looks like the butt has a lot of drop so the recoil may be fairly high compared to a morer straight stock.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: 85lc]
#374764 - 04/03/23 05:17 AM

belgian combination gun for pinfire cartridges, 16 ga and .600 bore what could be a 24 or 28 ga rifled
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/o...ad710bc513c0715

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#376684 - 13/05/23 02:54 PM

https://www.rockislandauction.com/riac-b...IST_EMAIL_ID%5D

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#376693 - 14/05/23 01:23 AM

My Husqvarna SxS with Lefaucheau underlever had right barrel rifled to 13 bore, .705" groove diameter, so taking a 16 bore brass case. The left barrel was 16 bore for paper case and modified choke.
I posted pictures of it, long time ago.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: DarylS]
#383473 - 18/03/24 03:55 AM

Gastine Rénette, maybe a 500 BPE once than smooth bored to 28 ga https://www.naturabuy.fr/Magnifique-Expr...em-9747995.html

such things were also done in great britain to hold the gun on a simple shotgun licence but very sad none the less. would be a nice basic gun to made a 28 bore express if you find someone who get a new rifling into the shotgun barrels.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#387214 - 13/10/24 04:37 PM

pinfire combination gun in 20 ga and probably 24 ga rifled https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19729311

24 ga pinfire double rifle by Scherping in Hannover
https://www.gebrauchtwaffen-spezialist.de/Langwaffen-oxid/Stiftzuender-Doppelbuechse.html

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#387310 - 19/10/24 06:21 AM

German Combination Rifle 13.5mm (undetermined cartridge) https://hindmanauctions.com/auctions/2030-Arms-Armor-and-Militaria/lot/189

I dare to say its a 32 ga double - one barrel rifled

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#387312 - 19/10/24 06:37 AM

Lovely old piece there Lancaster!
Looks like its in quite good nick really, .531" calibre, close in calibre to the 425WR being .435".

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: 93x64mm]
#387316 - 20/10/24 02:25 AM

My chart shows 32 bore being .526". I know of no ctg. even close, with the .50/70 being closest at .515".
In Europe, there was the 12.7x44r of Sweden

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: DarylS]
#387317 - 20/10/24 06:38 AM

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My chart shows 32 bore being .526". I know of no ctg. even close, with the .50/70 being closest at .515".
In Europe, there was the 12.7x44r of Sweden

what ever there was - trust me - it was never used for a german made combination gun in the time from 1870 to 1900.
first generation breech loader with a metal (or paper) case use pinfire or center fire shotgun caliber. most time 28 ga and 24 ga but also 20 ga and 32 ga.
even the 11,15x50, x55, x60 and x65R LK blackpowder cartridges use a case that was developt from 36 ga shotgun brass.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#387987 - 01/12/24 02:12 PM

12 ga pinfire by Fischer &Sohn in Lübeck, they don't show the muzzle but the double had a rear sight so could have one or two barrels rifled
https://auctionet.com/de/3832013-c-a-fischer-sohn-kaliber-12-polig-zusatzliche-nr-fehlt

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: lancaster]
#387994 - 02/12/24 05:04 AM

Now isn't that a nice one! I really like the colour.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: DarylS]
#387995 - 02/12/24 06:12 AM

The work that went into making the barrels must have been phenomenal!
Each a work of art in my eyes

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: 93x64mm]
#388014 - 03/12/24 08:00 AM

They sold this five years ago. Looks like it has sights too: https://auctionet.com/en/760954-c-a-fischer-sohn-lubeck-probably-karl-xv-s-shotgun-cal-12-65-pins

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: Igorrock]
#388016 - 03/12/24 05:00 PM

My 1902 model 20 Husqvarna 16 bore had both front and rear sights, yet it was straight rifled in the right tube, 13 bore (.705" groove to groove) yet chambered a brass 2 1/2" brass case to shoot a large enough ball. The left barrel was chambered identically and used a 2 1/2" paper case.

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Re: bore rifles at auction [Re: DarylS]
#388279 - 17/12/24 01:34 AM

this 12 ga double rifle did not sell for 9800 euro
well, was a litle bit over market price https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19809028

J. & W. TOLLEY
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