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pacecars
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.318 Westley Richards Accelerated Express
      #247790 - 24/05/14 01:24 AM

I have always been enamoured of the .318 Accelerated Express and since I love the M-S in carbine form so much I think I need to combine them. I have never seen one chambered for this round and I don't think the factory ever put one out but I will never say never. Which chambering would be the easiest to convert? I would assume a rebore would be easiest and most economical? Anyone know where spare spools could be located? Am I wasting my time?

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Re: .318 Westley Richards Accelerated Express [Re: pacecars]
      #247793 - 24/05/14 01:51 AM

Well....yes and no!.

If you find a Schönauer in 8x60 you basically have a kin brother to the .318WR.

Like any gunbuff it is important to what the cartridge inscription says also.....:-)

Hope that helped.

Edited by rigbymauser (24/05/14 01:53 AM)

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Re: .318 Westley Richards Accelerated Express [Re: rigbymauser]
      #247803 - 24/05/14 04:05 AM

I agree with rigbymauser! Try to find a pre-WW2 Mannlicher-Schoenauer M1925 in 8x60S. These are marked 8x60 MAGNUM on the receiver ring. As those prewar rifles have a short, 1 turn in 8”, twist , the 8x60S can be loaded as the ballistic twin of the .318 Westley Richards. The two cartridges are hard to tell apart without looking at the headstamp or using a caliper.
Left to right: .318 250 gr soft nose old Kynoch, 8x60S 250 gr Woodleigh soft nose handload, .318 250 gr Solid old Kynoch, 8x60 227gr solid DWM, 8x60 227gr sn DWM, 8x60S 227gr sn FN/Norma, 8x60S 196 gr PRVI handload

My own handloads of a 250 gr Woodleigh in front of 53 gr VV N160, RWS case, CCI lr Magnum primer, achieves an instrumental, 5m from muzzle, velocity of 2330 fps from the 23“ (shortened) barrel of my old M-Sch M1925. The 196 gr Prvi Partizan bullet (cheapest available here) in front of 50 gr VV N140 clocks at 2580 fps from my rifle.
IMHO this is quite comparable to Kynamco’s .318 Rimless ballistics from a much longer, 28” pressure barrel: 250 gr at 2400 fps and 180gr at 2700 fps, see http://www.kynochammunition.co.uk/318.htm
It would be very hard for both hunter or beast to tell a difference.
Here is my old 8x60s M-Sch and it’s latest victim, May 3, 2014:

As you noticed already, reboring alone will not be satisfactory, as the magazine has to be altered too. Finding a spare spool is somewhere in between impossible and unlikely. If you insist on a M-Sch in .318, you may look for an 8x60 with a worn barrel and have that “Freshed out” from .324 to 329” groove. But M1925s in 8x60 were cataloged only as 24” barrel half-stocked rifles, a full stock Stutzen must have been a semi-custom special order item, a really rare bird. M1950s were offered in 8x60 too, but I have yet to see one.

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Re: .318 Westley Richards Accelerated Express [Re: kuduae]
      #247808 - 24/05/14 04:44 AM

Thanks! There is an 8x60S on gunsinternational for $3500

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Re: .318 Westley Richards Accelerated Express [Re: pacecars]
      #247814 - 24/05/14 06:31 AM

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There is an 8x60S on gunsinternational for $3500


Seems a bit stiff to me. Here in Germany half that amount would be very good for the seller. Granted, mine was a real bargain. Found it in 2002 on a used gun rack at the Hanover Riding and Hunting Show. Was in a sorry state: muzzle damaged, butt shortened, nearly no stock finish left, lots of dirt and gunk. Certainly no collector's item, but couldn't resist the offer. Set me back Euro 150.-, about US$ 200.-. Shortened and recrowned the barrel slightly, lengthened and refinished the stock, mounted a used 1960s 4x Hensoldt DIATAL scope (about $ 80.- used), a P-H peep sight and scope Mount parts from my "junkbox". But you don't argue with success: Up until now it got me about 70 unlucky creatures, roe deer, wild boars, red deer, foxes.

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Re: .318 Westley Richards Accelerated Express [Re: kuduae]
      #247972 - 27/05/14 11:26 PM

I'm thinking that while the 8x60S might be ballistically similar to the .318 WR perhaps the starting poster is looking for the .318 ?

I gather from the answers people think the M-S rifle was not originally made in a .318 WR? Certainly I don't think I have seen one in that calibre/chambering??? Usually in a M98.

But would it be possible? A re-barreled 8x60S to a .318 would probably work, perhaps even rebored if someone would do it? The bolt head would work as is. Magazine length and feeding?

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Re: .318 Westley Richards Accelerated Express [Re: NitroX]
      #247987 - 28/05/14 12:22 AM

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But would it be possible? A re-barreled 8x60S to a .318 would probably work, perhaps even rebored if someone would do it? The bolt head would work as is. Magazine length and feeding?


Those are the issues when talking about converting M-S to it´s non original caliber. Of course that project is doable but MS magazine need skilled smith who knows what he is doing.

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