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Ash
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Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?)
      #246534 - 27/04/14 05:08 PM

Heya Guys.

Not sure if any of you have any experience with these but my question is:

With the revolving rifles, you're not ment to put your hand in front of the cylinder because of the gasses etc. So how do you use the revolving shotguns? Or are they different? I assume a 10 gauge would be rather hard to hold that way..?

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: Ash]
      #246535 - 27/04/14 05:15 PM

I don't know - but I'd love to find out!

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: tinker]
      #246536 - 27/04/14 05:50 PM

One day, Tinker, I'd love to own one (10 or 12 gauge) and take it out for duck. Even if just once, to have done..Its on my "bucket list".

And if that day comes, perhaps you can join me Would be more than welcome. Unfortunately thats not going to be for a long while though..

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: Ash]
      #246539 - 27/04/14 06:38 PM

Quote:

With the revolving rifles, you're not ment to put your hand in front of the cylinder because of the gasses etc.


You just have to use tight leather gloves...

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: Igorrock]
      #246556 - 28/04/14 01:35 AM

Not for me - imagine your hand if you had a 'ring' fire, ie: more than one went off. It did happen and that was when these guns were new, not 160 years old.

Interesting - lovely to look at & contemplate - however.

Since they have a wooden forend (& weighed up to or over 9 pounds), they would certainly be meant to be held on the forend with the 'off hand'.

These heavy Colts were also made in rifle calibres for the military & used in the Creole wars in Florida & which were meant/had to be held on the forend. They were popular due to the rate of fire compared to the ML's of the day, until they broke, that is. They were also very expensive compared to the other guns in the armory but - they were popular with soldiers willing to risk damage in order to be better protected during the 'fighting'. They would have spare cylinders, already loaded and capped - don't drop it as if a capped nipple strikes the ground, that chamber goes off - pointing upwards right at you or someone else.

At that time, there were also small, very short versions in .44, and .36 cap and ball calibres which did not have forends, were light weight and meant to be shot with hands cupped together. There are replicas of these available just a few decades ago - maybe still, by Pedersoli.

Some of the repeating, ie: revolving and harmonica guns, of that period, such as in those made by Billinhurst, having a lever that shoved the cylinder forward so the front of the chamber(outside coned) that was to be fired went into a rearward facing inside cone of the barrel's breech, thus helping to prevent the forward projected 'bits' and 'pieces' and flame of the load from striking your forearm and hand as well as reducing the chance of a ring-fires induced by loose loading?

I've been around and have been shooting cap and ball revolvers since the early 70's and have never seen a ring fire - with oversized lead balls (tight seal in the chambers) being used along with VERY tight caps. I expect with a shot charge, any flash-over (to the side cylinders) would have to come from the rear- so if tightly fitted caps were used, there might be no danger. HA! Any sparks(burning charcoal in the powder charge) could not pass the top wad, shot & over powder wad to get to the powder from the front, which is thought to happen in the handguns. I firmly believe ring-fires were started from the rear due to adjacent caps falling off the nipples presenting the possibility of a spark to enter the nipple of an adjacent or lower cylinder, setting it off. As rare 'situation' might be - it would surely make a mess of your hand & DID happen.

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: DarylS]
      #246557 - 28/04/14 01:51 AM

I would never hold one hand before the cylinder what ever you tell me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w7FpEm8C34

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: lancaster]
      #246565 - 28/04/14 04:21 AM

Good video - cowboy action shooter - obviously.

Ever see pictures actually taken - way back when - called wood cuts and other obscure names.

Note the very wide, long cuffed gloves - mostly military but civilian too - the long heavy canvas or leather cuff would protect the arm from ball shaving and powder gases for a while, anyway. - lol

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: DarylS]
      #246597 - 28/04/14 08:28 PM

Here we go, Daryl!

Admittedly, i had to look up P.T Barnum..





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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: Ash]
      #246600 - 28/04/14 09:57 PM

IF I remember correctly, Berdan's Sharpshooters were originally equipped with Colt revolving rifles, which they indignantly rejected in favor of the Sharps rifles which they eventually received.

The late Herb Peck, Jr. was a college classmate of mine and at the time of his untimely death had amassed a tremendous collection of Civil War era photos.


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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: DarylS]
      #246603 - 28/04/14 10:08 PM

Quote:

Good video - cowboy action shooter - obviously.
. - lol




Well, it looks like he eats everything he shoots..just say'n..
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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: Ripp]
      #246611 - 28/04/14 11:16 PM

Xausa - it's a small world, isn't it?

Just noticed: the man in the picture would have been left handed, due to his right hand being bandaged (it would of had to have been the foward supporting hand?)

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: Ash]
      #246644 - 29/04/14 08:20 AM

HA - Ripp - good one!

Yes - wrong hand bandaged, but could easily have been shooting left handed - much depend on which side or end of the wagon you're shooting at the 'bad guys' from? Left or right doesn't much matter to me.

BUT - good catch, Ash. Because the Spencer's hammer is on the right side, it isn't a case of picture reversal - from a negative.

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: DarylS]
      #246648 - 29/04/14 08:48 AM

I wonder if this one relies on the hand for both timing and cylinder lock like the 1878 Colt DA revolver.

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: tinker]
      #246788 - 01/05/14 11:53 AM

No idea Tinker, I found out they are in a few movies (like 3:10 to Yuma (2007)).

Was thinking - these wouldn't be any more likely than any other cap and ball revolver to chain fire? How often do you hear about that happening to western shooters (or how often does it happen?) I guess it's just that your hand is in front of the cylinder so in the event it does happen it's probably going to be much worse.

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: Ash]
      #246795 - 01/05/14 03:22 PM

Chain fire.
Never seen it, never heard of it happening first hand.
I've had cap/ball revolvers for 20-odd years.

Like Daryl has said, most likely from poor cap fit at the nipples or totally wrong loading at the cylinders.

It's important to do it right.

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Re: Colt Revolving Shotguns (Holding Position?) [Re: tinker]
      #246824 - 02/05/14 12:42 AM

Must be from the nipple end. With rough handling, a slightly loose cap can fall off the nipple - it happens. If it happens, then it is possible, however remotely, for a spark to travel down the cap-less nipple, past the choke at the bottom, to the powder charge and ignite it. That is a long way for a spark or sparks to travel, all the while cooling down. But - not only is it remotely possible, it has happened to the detriment of whomever is holding the rifle.
Long cuffs on substantial gloves would help.

Arc Welding gloves today are quite similar to those "Cavalry Gloves" of yesteryear. Still, nice to look at, but not for me to fire.

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