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Enfield P 13 Prototype in 470 Question
#245696 - 14/04/14 11:12 PM

From Wilfrid Ward's piece "The Action That Served Two Armies" (Gun Digest 1994 Annual, there is this interesting snippet about the P / 13, the prototype that the P 14 / M 1917 rifles were made from: " . . . in late 1915 some of the original thousand P 13s, by then returned to store, were converted to 470 caliber for use against snipers' plates . . .similar use had been made of heavy-caliber big game rifles . . ."

I am curious about whether this was the 470 Nitroexpress, or some rimless 470 experimental round? Ward goes on to say that 303 armor-piercing ammunition put an end to this experiment.

Thanks for any information on this historical question, in advance. It would be interesting to know what the Brits experimented with in military rifles while they were building some of the world's finest sporting double rifles and single shots.

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Re: Enfield P 13 Prototype in 470 Question [Re: mehulkamdar]
#245734 - 15/04/14 04:44 AM

was it a single shot?
ask because as a single shot you would get a longer cartridge into the rifle than using the magazine.

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Re: Enfield P 13 Prototype in 470 Question [Re: lancaster]
#246988 - 05/05/14 01:41 PM

Thank you, Lancaster. Yes, I'm guessing that it might have been a single shot, because the Brits also used Farquharsons in calibers as big as 600 NE at that time. I haven't been able to find any more information. I was wondering if they'd designed a rimless round for the P 13 because they were experimenting with several dimensions of their 276 high velocity round, which they eventually dropped in favor of the 303. My guess is that if they did have a rimless or belted round, someone might have revived it by now . . .

Good hunting!

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Re: Enfield P 13 Prototype in 470 Question [Re: mehulkamdar]
#246992 - 05/05/14 05:32 PM

its an interesting thing but I dont believe this rifles exist anymore if the pattern room dont have one

http://www.royalarmouries.org/what-we-do/research/nfc

would be a good idea to send them a mail

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