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Ahmed577
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300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???.
#245517 - 11/04/14 09:31 PM

Purdey want to know if to regulate 300h&h scoped double(flanged) s-n 31300 with 180or220 gn projectiles (kynaco). I lean towards 220. 100metre shots would be a long shot for me. At the end of the day others will own the gun longer than I will. What is the best choice???.

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Ahmed577
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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: Ahmed577]
#245518 - 11/04/14 09:33 PM

I meant KYNAMCO.

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Ahmed577
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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: Ahmed577]
#245519 - 11/04/14 09:36 PM

I am unable to start a topic of my own I will keep trying.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: Ahmed577]
#245535 - 11/04/14 11:37 PM

If 100 meter shots will be long shots for you, why did you pick the .300 H&H, which is a purely long range cartridge? For the shorter ranges the 220 grain bullet would obviously be the choice, but a 220 grain projectile in, say, a 9.3X74R would clearly be a better one. Although the 285 grain load is certainly the most popular for the 9.3X74R, RWS and Norma offer several loads with bullet weights ranging from 225 to 247 grains, which would be in the same recoil category as the .300 H&H with the 220 grain bullet. If Purdey turn up their nose at a metric caliber, then the .375 H&H Flanged would be the next best alternative.

I am assuming that you are ordering a rifle built. If you are dealing with a pre-existing rifle in caliber .300 H&H Flanged, then by all means, the 220 grain bullet. The next owner can have the rifle regulated to suit himself.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: xausa]
#245536 - 12/04/14 12:11 AM

Out to 200 yards, even 250yards, 220gr. bullets do just fine.

For a DR - that is long range, isn't it? For a bolt gun - it's easy.

They'll get out there quite quickly and kill very well when they do.

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NitroX
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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: Ahmed577]
#245541 - 12/04/14 01:25 AM

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I am unable to start a topic of my own I will keep trying.

Ahmed577

Go to a forum

eg try this:

1. Select MAIN INDEX from the menu at the top.

2. Select the appropriate forum eg DOUBLE RIFLES.

3. Under the main forum menu is a line with four menu items. One is POST. Click on that and it will open a new THREAD for your post.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: NitroX]
#245544 - 12/04/14 01:33 AM

Myself I would prefer a 180 gr projectile in a .300 H&H double rifle.

Most however I guess would be regulated with a 220 gr projectile ???

Curl on here has a .300 Magnum double rifle, I am not sure what his is regulated with ???

I would use a .300 DR for plains game and HOPE it is capable of longer shots as well as normal DR ranges, especially if scoped. Therefore my choice of a 180 gr.

If choosing a heavier bullet such as a 220 gr it would normally be for larger than medium sized game, and I would probably prefer a larger calibre then.

Really up to the user.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: NitroX]
#245553 - 12/04/14 05:33 AM

By all means go with the 220 grain. The .300 H&H has a .371" neck which is ideal for the 220 grain projectile. That will be a real killer.

AND you can always shot the 3/4 rule by backing off the load for a 165 grain bullets.

I have a .35 WCF double that shoots 200 and 250 about the same point of impact.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: bonanza]
#245556 - 12/04/14 05:57 AM

100 metre shots would be a long shot for me.

What would you be shooting in WA to make 100 m`s a long shot?

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: gryphon]
#245563 - 12/04/14 09:15 AM

No doubt in my mind…180gr

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: bonanza]
#245574 - 12/04/14 01:03 PM

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By all means go with the 220 grain. The .300 H&H has a .371" neck which is ideal for the 220 grain projectile. That will be a real killer.

AND you can always shot the 3/4 rule by backing off the load for a 165 grain bullets.

I have a .35 WCF double that shoots 200 and 250 about the same point of impact.

what is the 3/4 rule ?

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Ahmed577
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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: gryphon]
#245578 - 12/04/14 01:45 PM

Part of the hunt for me is to get close. NT australia is a great place to practice.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: Ahmed577]
#245580 - 12/04/14 02:49 PM

Bring those Purdeys over any time Ahmed

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: ruffcountry]
#245581 - 12/04/14 05:56 PM

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By all means go with the 220 grain. The .300 H&H has a .371" neck which is ideal for the 220 grain projectile. That will be a real killer.

AND you can always shot the 3/4 rule by backing off the load for a 165 grain bullets.

I have a .35 WCF double that shoots 200 and 250 about the same point of impact.

what is the 3/4 rule ?

Three-quarters the bullet weight and same powder charge. Some people believe the rifle will still shoot well to regulation.

.375 - 300 gr regulation load x .75 = 225 grs so use the same powder charge as the 300 gr for a 235 gr bullet.

.450 - 480 gr regulation load x .75 = 360 gr so use same charge as the 480 gr for a 350 gr bullet

Therefore if the rule works:
.300 - 220 gr regulation load x .75 = 165 gr. If the three-quarters "rule" works, in theory a 165 gr bullet will also regulate with the same powder charge.

I am not convinced it is a "rule". However many people claim it works in their double rifles.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: NitroX]
#245582 - 12/04/14 06:06 PM

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Part of the hunt for me is to get close. NT Australia is a great place to practice.

Considering you might want to shoot water buffalo with your .300 it is a no brainer, the 220 gr is better for a regulation load.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: NitroX]
#245588 - 12/04/14 08:27 PM

Go with the 180gn - they are doing 2600 fps so exceed min velocity requirements of 2450 fps in the British Isles and a rifle like that really has to be taken Deer Stalking in Scotland for a good Red stag.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: HeymSR20]
#245591 - 13/04/14 01:34 AM

Love my H&H farq in .30 super flanged, 180 gr partition for me

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: bouldersmith]
#245593 - 13/04/14 02:37 AM

Not knowing the intended use it tough. But most double rifles are not long range guns.

Were it mine, I would pick the 240 gr Woodleigh which was some shape.

IME (limited) with several 2 rifle over 1 shotgun, drillings you can get almost anything to produce acceptable hunting accuracy with load tweaking.

As the AR world has taught us, lighter bullets shoot just fine in fast twist barrels. Your's is probably 1 in 10", so I would regulate heavy.

Those drillings were 8 and 9.3 mm, set up for heavy soft points. Not too many light 9.3s but the 8 (scoped) would shoot 125 gr Sierras (no longer made) swaged down to .319 into 1.5" (5) @ 100. Actually killed a few woodchucks with it just to quiet the non-believers.

Sound like your's is a sweet rifle. I have 5 belted Super 30s. A wonderful cartridge.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: Ruger_450]
#245613 - 13/04/14 10:30 AM

Bouldersmith, sensational rifle in a super calibre. Unfortunately it is not that popular and therefore the brass is hard to get and expensive. Many times I have thought of building a Ruger No.1 in 300 Flanged and seeing your rifle now, I have made up my mind. I would also love a Kipplaufbuechse in 8x75RS. The 300 Flanged with a 180 grain projectile and the 8x75RS with 220 grain. Brass is available from Bertam in both cases.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: NitroX]
#245622 - 13/04/14 02:05 PM

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By all means go with the 220 grain. The .300 H&H has a .371" neck which is ideal for the 220 grain projectile. That will be a real killer.

AND you can always shot the 3/4 rule by backing off the load for a 165 grain bullets.

I have a .35 WCF double that shoots 200 and 250 about the same point of impact.

what is the 3/4 rule ?

Three-quarters the bullet weight and same powder charge. Some people believe the rifle will still shoot well to regulation.

.375 - 300 gr regulation load x .75 = 225 grs so use the same powder charge as the 300 gr for a 235 gr bullet.

.450 - 480 gr regulation load x .75 = 360 gr so use same charge as the 480 gr for a 350 gr bullet

Therefore if the rule works:
.300 - 220 gr regulation load x .75 = 165 gr. If the three-quarters "rule" works, in theory a 165 gr bullet will also regulate with the same powder charge.

I am not convinced it is a "rule". However many people claim it works in their double rifles.

well I suppose that might partially explain why I've had some luck with 232 grain in my 9.3 that was supposedly regulated for 286 grain . now if I could find some 214.5 grainers

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: ruffcountry]
#245639 - 14/04/14 01:07 AM

Due to it's extractor design, the No. 1 works just fine in the belted 30 Super. Unless you just want a flanged there is no reason to build one.

My Red Pad No. 1 in 30 Super Belted (ex 30-06 1 B)

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: Ahmed577]
#245642 - 14/04/14 01:41 AM

For me the standard weight for the 300H&H Flanged has always been the 220 grainer.
I have a single shot and I use it as a stalking rifle. I can tell you, the Woodleigh Weldcore is a hammer on hogs...
All of my loadings from my 26 inch tube slightly excess the speed of the 220 grainer in 30-06. I am not a reloader so I get these ready from W. Romey.

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Re: 300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???. [Re: ruffcountry]
#245646 - 14/04/14 02:55 AM

I have used both Bertram and Horneber Brass with good success. 180's shoot to point of aim on the fixed sights and most of my hunting does not require the 220 gr load, but I might work up a load someday just in case the need arises.

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