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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: pjaln]
      #245178 - 07/04/14 06:58 AM

I enjoyed reading your post Morten.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: gryphon]
      #245190 - 07/04/14 03:08 PM

A lot of hate for what would be a very nice addition to anyone's gun cabinet.

I would imagine some of the changes are to accommodate the end user. Heavy barrels would make for a nice shooting experience for old guys who will never carry rifle all day. This is not intended to be rude. But with the current trend among young shooters towards feather light rifles and tactical crap the Rigby will primarily sold to old duffers with deep pockets.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Morten]
      #245199 - 07/04/14 07:42 PM

Morten,

I am the "certain French gun maker" you don't dare call by his name.
Obviously you haven't read or understood correctly my comments.
I have no doubt about the quality or reliability of the gun you praise. I am just disappointed to see that, when you have the production capacity of the Mauser-Blaser-Sauer group, and the availability of the original models, you are not able to design a modern version of the mythic rifle and keep some of the spirit that made its success.
The fans of Rigby were expecting better than a plain update of the Mauser Magnum already made. In spite of your comments, it seems they have been heard, as a more classical version is already in the making.
On another side, this forum is user friendly and constructive critics are welcome as they allow to correct erroneous choices.
Simple craftsman, I do not pretend to compete with the great English houses, but I have always considered that one should pay attention to the remarks of amateurs and use our mistakes as steps to make progress.
As for writing that I acted "unprofessionally", my guess is that you write faster than you think.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: DORLEAC]
      #245201 - 07/04/14 08:58 PM

Joel: Well said. If there is any gunmaker around these days that truly understands concepts, it's Dorleac.... JMHO.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: DORLEAC]
      #245207 - 08/04/14 01:14 AM

It's interesting that the aesthetics of the early rigbys are so prized now, especially the .416. When Rigby designed and built the rifles, they probably weren't focused on aesthetics much at all. The same is true of the Mauser action itself. Now, more than 100 years later, we've all come to admire the looks of the action, especially the bolt, as much as the functionality.

I don't know about these efforts to replicate the original Rigbys. Maybe they will prove as futile as trying to reverse engineer a fine wine, or a violin.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: dons]
      #245209 - 08/04/14 01:41 AM

Bravo!

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: FrankFarmer]
      #245236 - 08/04/14 06:11 PM

Dorleac,

Firstly let mee clarify my remark on your unprofettionallity.

Ive seen pictures of your work and this is outstanding and I do not doubdt your craftsmenship as a gunmaker and the quality of you work is as good as any out there and probably better than other highly regarded names. I just get very suspicius to your intentions when you in one post rip this new Rigby to pieces. and in another post at the same time promote your own product. I dont find that very gentlemanly of profettionally. It makes mee doubdt your intention of the posting on the rigby thread. And when mr fountainblue is copy pasting your coments in a norwegian gunforum I have coment this thread when he writes what he does.

regarding the new Rigby big game rifle you said I prise the gun. I like it yes, but it is not impossible to make better. Ive seen it and handle it and one of my remarks is the wight. this is the first generation and everyone who does business know that if you think your product can not bee improoved have lost. And with my four days with mr Newton I can asure you that Rigby will always strive to improve what can bee imroved and to serve the marked.

Im sure when Koenigsegg made his first car he was very satesfied but when you compare this car with the new "ONE" it is two different worlds.


But for what they have managed in just a year in London I take my hat of and I will realy enjoy following them in times to come.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Morten]
      #245245 - 09/04/14 12:30 AM

Morten,

Where have you seen that in the same thread I "rip the Rigby to pieces" and "at the same time I promote my own product"…?
If you take sufficient attention to carefully read the posts I have published it will be hard to find such a "very suspicious intention".
I don't need to promote our work here, I consider that forum as a great family of gun lovers and I have alway welcome the comments from others members.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Morten]
      #245290 - 09/04/14 06:39 PM

edited.


Edited by Fontainebleu (11/04/14 04:47 PM)

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Fontainebleu]
      #245291 - 09/04/14 06:52 PM

Quote:


What a load of biased drivel. Then again, you have a vested interest so one could hardly expect otherwise but the lack of class in this post is something else.



I note that out of your posts probably 95% of them are on Dorleac in some form or other.

I would question whether you have a very obvious vested interest ...

Your comments on various threads, calling rifles "pigs" etc really illustrate the behaviour you accuse others of, in the end of your last sentence.


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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #245292 - 09/04/14 06:55 PM

BTW it is considered very bad form for a gunmaker to criticise another gunmakers works especially in a non-constructive manner.

All it does is encourage a fight between gunmakers.


Of course debates on technical issues, safety matters, constructive comments etc are usually a completely different matter.



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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #245293 - 09/04/14 07:00 PM

I am a client of his, but I am in no way affiliated with Mr. Dorleac.
My views are mine and mine alone.


The Big Game Rifle is - as others have put it - a Magnum Mauser rifle with a german/american inspired stock. It has NOTHING to do with the fast-handling rigbys of old other than the name on the barrel - which sadly is something that can be bought these days. Which it has.

Dont get me wrong, its probably a fine rifle. But its no Rigby as we once knew it.
As long as you accept that its a modern-day safari rifle with modern-day handling statistics, then by all means - fine.

Edited by Fontainebleu (11/04/14 04:48 PM)

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #245294 - 09/04/14 07:06 PM

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BTW it is considered very bad form for a gunmaker to criticise another gunmakers works especially in a non-constructive manner.

All it does is encourage a shit between gunmakers.




If someone is dressing up magnum mauser rifles and selling them as London guns, I see no problem in pointing out the obvious? Americans usually call it as they see it and personally I prefer the refreshing honesty.

If you criticise others you open yourself up to critisism, and critizm in its truest form is the father of innovation.

The Big game rifle have a mass-produced air to it with plenty of cheap solutions and fit/finish not usually seen on London guns - which was a concern when it was announced Blaser/Sauer/Mauser bought the brand and planned on ressurecting the Rigby name.

The concerns were justified it seems and as such I see nothing wrong in pointing that out.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Fontainebleu]
      #245296 - 09/04/14 07:17 PM

Again you fail to recognise, this thread is NOTHING to do with the Big Game Rifle model. It was releasing information of the intended new release of the Vintage line. Plus of course the already existing London Best rifles. And hopefully soon we will receive photos of the Rising Bite double rifle actions.

Regarding the posting of Rigby photos, I am interested ij promoting a new revitalised gunmaker brand. Just like I promoted Mark Neil/Bramble on here, you had one of the brands of Rigby at the time. Alex Beer in Tasmania, as a gunmaker. I also post information and photos, on Holland & Holland, Westley Richards, Boss, Mauser, Chapuis, Krieghoff, Merkel, various Ferlach gunmakers, Beretta, even on Blaser! Really the list is endless. Guess they are all "vested interests" ... the only two gunmakers that have provided some financial sponsorship or others have been Heym and Verney-Carron. They are listed as sponsors.

BTW we have encouraged Dorleac posts too, and have been happy for him or others to display his work.

Does that mean NE has vested interests in Dorleac as well? Perhaps he should come on as a sponsor too, I think. NE does cost money to keep going, and only myself and paying sponsors actually pay the bills.

Marc Newton telephoned me to talk about his new rifles and he conveyed his excitement about what they are doing. Yes he had seen both positive and negative posts. I note some of my posts actually compare the Big Game to old Vintage rifles .... but left it up to the viewers to make their own comparisons.

95% of your 154 posts being on a single gunmaker speaks for itself.

You future posts will determine what happens next.

I again stress the following:
Again you fail to recognise, this thread is NOTHING to do with the Big Game Rifle model. It was releasing information of the intended new release of the Vintage line. Plus of course the already existing London Best rifles. And hopefully soon we will receive photos of the Rising Bite double rifle actions.

Members here made comments. It seems the comments were listened to, and as said probably for the third time, a new range may answer peoples wants ie the Vintage model. We will know when we see the new rifles, in photos and/or in person. I certainly don't expect them to be exactly the same, especially in the scope sight age. Again I am excited to see what they will be like.



PS Just as I am excited to see new Mausers, H&Hs, Boss's, WR's, Jeffery's, Blasers, Ferlach etc etc etc.


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Edited by NitroX (09/04/14 07:26 PM)

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #245297 - 09/04/14 07:19 PM

Quote:

Quote:

BTW it is considered very bad form for a gunmaker to criticise another gunmakers works especially in a non-constructive manner.

All it does is encourage a shit between gunmakers.




If someone is dressing up magnum mauser rifles and selling them as London guns, I see no problem in pointing out the obvious? Americans usually call it as they see it and personally I prefer the refreshing honesty.

Quote:

Looks like a fat bloated pig compared to the original. The german influence is very visible, reminds me of a tarted up M03!



If you criticise others you open yourself up to critisism, and critizm in its truest form is the father of innovation.

The Big game rifle have a mass-produced air to it with plenty of cheap solutions and fit/finish not usually seen on London guns - which was a concern when it was announced Blaser/Sauer/Mauser bought the brand and planned on ressurecting the Rigby name.

The concerns were justified it seems and as such I see nothing wrong in pointing that out.



You do realise an administrator is giving you very clear and direct comments and hints.....

So a different method is obviously necessary. A "law student" should be able to actually read what has been said to them.

You continue to mis-represent the comments and posts on post after post after post. Repeating the same thing, again, again and again endlessly. Without even directly having handled the Big Game model yourself. And the thread is not even about that model ... lots of other members HAVE actually handled one and commented on an earlier thread about that model and made informed comments ... yet do not need to keep posting again again the same stuff. No one could claim any sort of censorship if one looks seriously at either of the two threads ...

The member is consistently attempting to wreck a thread, has been given a break.

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Edited by NitroX (09/04/14 09:29 PM)

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #245322 - 09/04/14 11:00 PM

Nitrox you are absolutely right !
I think that the debate takes a wrong direction and I'm confused at being the source of that deviance.
I don't care about the dispute between our Norwegian friends…
To clarify the things, being fond of the old Rigby's bolt rifles –purely a superb treatment of an Oberndorf made barreled action- that to my eyes represent the epitome of the "Safari rifle of a past gone era, I couldn't be satisfied by the modern Rigby look.
What I wrote about the Mauser-Blaser-Sauer group newly offered rifle is based on cold, close examination and is the result of my own deception.
This reflects my opinion and I never wanted to "rip that rifle to pieces" but to point only some aspects that could have been made right at first without great expense.
I'm certain that the "Vintage" model will correct what appear to my eyes as "deficiencies", and I'm convinced also that the critic comments are for something in the process…
However if my contribution to the forum is inappropriate, please, feel free to let me know, and I will amend.

Thank you.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: DORLEAC]
      #245326 - 09/04/14 11:23 PM

Quote:

Nitrox you are absolutely right !
I think that the debate takes a wrong direction and I'm confused at being the source of that deviance.
I don't care about the dispute between our Norwegian friends…
To clarify the things, being fond of the old Rigby's bolt rifles –purely a superb treatment of an Oberndorf made barreled action- that to my eyes represent the epitome of the "Safari rifle of a past gone era, I couldn't be satisfied by the modern Rigby look.
What I wrote about the Mauser-Blaser-Sauer group newly offered rifle is based on cold, close examination and is the result of my own deception.
This reflects my opinion and I never wanted to "rip that rifle to pieces" but to point only some aspects that could have been made right at first without great expense.
I'm certain that the "Vintage" model will correct what appear to my eyes as "deficiencies", and I'm convinced also that the critic comments are for something in the process…
However if my contribution to the forum is inappropriate, please, feel free to let me know, and I will amend.

Thank you.

DORLEAC




Joel,

I was hoping you would not take my comments the wrong way. Sometimes an enthusiastic customer or another person (making a general comment here!) can cause comments which get people offside sometimes due to the wrong perception.

BTW I think I invited our Foutainbleau to post his Dorleac visit photos here. I forget exactly though ... ???

I think everyone enjoys your excellent work. And also enjoys your photos. I too like the cased Rigby .350 vintage rifle you posted on this thread or the other one(?).

Hopefully we get to enjoy more of your custom rifles on NE.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #245367 - 10/04/14 03:16 AM

A request for peace here - all of the gentlemen involved are friends. I do consider Joel a good friend and have been privileged to see many of his magnificent creations. He has always been happy to share his own guns as well as original masterpieces. I have also known him to be very complimentary about other great gunmakers - someone who is close to Steven Dodd-Hughes and Darcy Echols and to the Grainger establishment in France, has to have tremendous standing. As a result, Joel's disappointment with the form of the new Rigby guns is not out of any negative intention, but out of a sadness that the new Rigby owners chose not to follow the company's great historical design traditions. I think this is a view to be respected, as it comes from someone with a demonstrated ability to produce some of the finest bolt action rifles being built today.

My young friend Morten, on the other hand, has also apprenticed with a very prestigious London name. I know of his passion for British guns. We have had many discussions on the current state of gunmaking in the past. As a young man, he clearly enjoys a newer direction, and would like to give Rigby time to get their products right.

I hope we can continue discussing fine guns. And, I sincerely hope that the gentlemen involved here will continue to post regularly. Arguments are fine, as long as we are ready to have a drink and celebrate afterwards. When we meet, I'll be the one buying the drinks.

Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #245506 - 11/04/14 04:56 PM

Some of my comments were somewhat harsh and I have edited a bit.
A request for peace here as well.

Hopefully Rigby will take some of the comments in the best spirit and on board for future development.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Fontainebleu]
      #245508 - 11/04/14 06:03 PM

Let me end this so we again can focus on the topic in this thread. Some of the coments I simply could not resist anymore to not answer,

Dorlac, my intetion of unfortunately involve your coments was just to point my view that as fellow tradesmen one need to bee carefull comenting on other brands product. it resoulted in the post beeing spread around on other forums. It is a very difficoult matter posting under your business name and different matter when posting as a private person. As I am somewhat in the business myself I hold back my temtations for posting meny times. I am not saying this is the right way, its my way and my thoughts about it.

I appologise for the resolt of my post ending up in a little argue between us. I doo enjoy the picture you post and your craftsmenship based on these pictures looks superior to meny of the guns ive seen. So please post them. I will enjoy looking, and hopefully one day see one first hand.

I doo also feel the need to stand up and respond to some of the post. I think it is unfair to jugde rigby the way it has been done. In a year after moving to London, thay have managed to produce a new bolt rifle, that has been debated, but it has sold plenty and will make the fundament, that alowes them to create new and updated, like now, the vintage model. They have built a new frontshop and workshop, they have got in the former factory manager from Purdey and Holland and Holland to oversee the production. they have put the Rising Bite double rifle back in production. Al this within a year. I do take my hat of for this. I doo agree to some of the coments regarding the new big game rifle, but when they now introduce the concept of a Vintage model, im sure they wil listen to all coments to make it enjoyable.

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: Morten]
      #245513 - 11/04/14 07:56 PM


Ok, all is said.
End of game !

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: DORLEAC]
      #245542 - 12/04/14 01:29 AM

Ahmed577's post moved here:
300 h&h flanged 180 or 220 projectiles ???

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Re: Rigby - the Good Old Days are Back [Re: NitroX]
      #245545 - 12/04/14 01:33 AM

Will post updates on this or a new thread when they come in.

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