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sablesurveys
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Help For Newbie on Mauser ID
      #244552 - 28/03/14 06:29 PM

Greetings All,

First post here.
Please could you help me with identifying this Mauser. It came out of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
Calibre is 8mm. It has no makers name. The serial number on both barrel and action is 622.
It also has crown and crown/N proofs as well as Smtg on it. Next to this, there is something indiscernible. Under the stock it has 7,8mm as well as what looks like 1,2r and 710 as per the pics.
It has a rounded pistol grip (pre-1912?).It also has the number 18736 on the magazine hinge-plate.
I am not sure about the initials, they appear to be P.R.

Any help/information would be appreciated, especially folk like "Kuduae" etc.

Kind Regards and thanks

Sable

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Re: Help For Newbie on Mauser ID [Re: sablesurveys]
      #244556 - 28/03/14 09:13 PM

Suhl made gun build with an military action could be 8x57 or 8x60 with an I or S diameter
make a chamber cast and slug the barrel

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Re: Help For Newbie on Mauser ID [Re: lancaster]
      #244558 - 28/03/14 09:55 PM

Built post-WW1 by the Zella-Mehlis guntrade on an ex-military Kar98AZ small ring carbine action and a civilian, most likely Z-M made barrel, stock and sights. Proofed at the Z-M proofhouse in 1.20 = January 1920, gun number 710 of that month, for a St.m.G = steel jacketed bullet. 7.8 mm was the bore/land diameter (not groove/bullet!), correct for a 8x57I, .318" bullet. CROWN-crown/N proofmarks indicate the special proof using the 4000 atm proof cartridge, according to the rule of July 23, 1893. Most likely a 8x57I, as the 8x60I did not yet exist in January 1920, but make a chamber cast and slug the bore to be sure. If a S, .323" bullet slips free in an out a fired case, you may also use 8x57IS loads. At least, in any case you may use the weak, 170gr at 2400 fps, American SAAMI specification "8mm Mauser" loads as offered by Remington, Winchester or Prvi Partizan. These "8mmMauser" cartridges are loaded to very low pressures, 35000 psi max instead of the European CIP 52000 psi, to avoid any danger if they are used in an 8x57I barrel. Remington even loads them with compromise .321" bullets.

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sablesurveys
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Re: Help For Newbie on Mauser ID [Re: kuduae]
      #244787 - 01/04/14 09:14 PM

Hello kuduae and Lancaster,
Many thanks for your replies, they were very helpful and informative.
I slugged the barrel and it came out at .324" and have since purchased and fired the 8x57JS rounds.

Kind Regards

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