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Ripp
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Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250???
      #242694 - 19/02/14 07:44 AM



.22-250
A rodent cartridge is invading Coyoteville. Due to the popularity of the AR-15 rifle and the fast stream of follow-up shots it affords, coyote hunters that commonly miss more than they hit are embracing a sub-strength caliber. But let’s pause a moment and get back in touch with the purist inside us. Let’s be loyal to what may be the finest predator cartridge currently available: the .22-250 Remington.

Offering almost 3,700 fps of predator-dropping velocity with a 55-grain projectile, a .22-250 gives around 12 percent more speed and 20 percent more ft-lbs of impact energy than a .223 with the same bullet. And that’s giving the .223 the benefit of a 24-inch barrel and all the velocity it can milk out of it—many guys hunt predators with 16-inch barreled AR-15s.

Insignificant, you say? Not so. The .22-250 carries over 550 ft-lbs of energy at 500 yards, opposed to the .223, which carries only 402 ft-lbs at best. As the late, great, legendary Jack O’Connor taught, speed kills (especially on thin-skinned predators). Where less-than-perfect hits are concerned, more is better.

Known for inherent accuracy and for being mild-mannered to handload, the .22-250 has one other advantage: During these crazy times of frenzied buying and ammo hoarding, it’s much easier to find on store shelves than .223 ammo.

Protest all you want. There’s no denying the facts. The .22-250 shoots flatter, hits harder, and is more accurate than the .223. Factor in those better hits, coupled with more impact authority, and this cartridge makes more dead predators. Ditch the .223 and opt for the bigger, stronger, superior .22-250 Remington. — Joseph von Benedikt

.223
I’ll come right out and say it: The .223 Remington is the most balanced predator cartridge in existence. From small fox to northern coyotes, if you know how to coax a predator within range, it’s all you’ll ever need.

There is a reason most successful predator hunters sight their rifles dead-on at 100 yards. It’s because most misses are over a dog’s back. Despite the wet dreams of long-range fanatics, predators are seldom shot beyond 300 yards.

And for those that are, realize this: A bolt-action .22-250 and an AR-15 .223 firing the same 53-grain V-Max have a difference in drop of less than 2.5 inches at 300 yards (6.7-inch drop vs. 9-inch drop).

Those that claim the .223 lacks killing power are either delusional or they adhere to the Geneva Convention. Ditch the full metal jackets and place expanding bullets in the vitals of even deer-sized game and its lethality will shock you.

Not to mention the vast majority of .22-250s have 1:14 twist barrels, which limits bullet selection to around 50 grains, forcing predator hunters to forego the high ballistic coefficient (BC) bullets that excel as the ranges stretch. This gives the .223 and its common 1:9 or faster twist barrel ready access to modern, high BC bullets, significantly upping its power, versatility, and range.

Can the .223 compete with the speed of the .22-250? Nope. Nor can it equal the .22-250’s ability to transform high-dollar bobcats into hideous rags of fur, flesh, and bone. The mild-mannered .223 offers plenty of lethality without excessive pelt damage or muzzle blast. It’s simply a more all-around predator cartridge. — David Faubion



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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: Ripp]
      #242697 - 19/02/14 08:56 AM

I'd use a 22-250 if necessary - but I prefer a .243 or .257, personally.

When buying my last coyote rifle that would also be used for deer and wolves, I chose a .25/06 because the store couldn't get me that rifle in 7mm/08. I turned down the CF .22's and the .243 - both available but any would have worked just fine. Whatever you have confidence in.

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: DarylS]
      #242701 - 19/02/14 12:45 PM

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I'd use a 22-250 if necessary - but I prefer a .243 or .257, personally.

When buying my last coyote rifle that would also be used for deer and wolves, I chose a .25/06 because the store couldn't get me that rifle in 7mm/08. I turned down the CF .22's and the .243 - both available but any would have worked just fine. Whatever you have confidence in.




Agree totally--for years whenever I headed out I through in my .243 --usually loaded with 70Gr Ballistic tips and Varget powder....shot deer, antelope, coyotes and one black bear with that load...really really like that combo..

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: Ripp]
      #242819 - 21/02/14 02:54 AM

Depends on if you need to kill them only, or if you are selling the hides.
Back in the 90s I bought a Toyota Land Cruiser for cash with money I earned on coyote and cat hides in only 5 months.
They were averaging $90 a hide for good ones.
When the value is up I would never use my 22-250. I much preferred my 222 Remington (SAKO)

Coyotes shot with my 222 brought me the full $90. Never lost one either, and I did make some very long shots. So don't believe that stuff about the 222 and 223 only being good to 250 or 300 yards. A 222 Remington is still supersonic at 640 yards. So at that range it's a bit better than a 22 LR at 10 yards. I think every kid who grew up with guns has killed a few coyotes with their 22s. I know I sure have and they all dies and they all died quickly. If you know your rifle and they round making long shots is not all that much harder with a 222 then irt was with my 22-250. I just had to hold higher.

Coyotes shot with my 22-250 brought about $40
Those shot with my $270 brought about $25

One rifle that was excellent for shooting hides is the 375H&H with 300 grain solids.
(No-----I am not kidding)
Those rounds are expensive so you can’t afford to miss many, but they don’t do much hide damage at all, and they kill the dogs quickly. A 375 Solid is a LOT better to kill coyotes with than a 22-250 if you are selling them.


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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: szihn]
      #242828 - 21/02/14 08:59 AM

I have killed many deer and coyote with a 223 Rem. All of them have been with a bolt gun. I have also killed and seen killed, many of the same animals with the 22/250. Inside of 200 yards, where most furbis taken here in Georgia, I haven't noticed any difference in killing power. I prefer the 223 simply because the twist rate in my gun will allow me to shoot heavier bullets, more suited for deer, hogs, and coyote in my area. Put a 53 gr Barnes TSX in the boiler room, and get your knife ready.

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: TOBY458]
      #242857 - 22/02/14 01:09 AM

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I have killed many deer and coyote with a 223 Rem. All of them have been with a bolt gun. I have also killed and seen killed, many of the same animals with the 22/250. Inside of 200 yards, where most furbis taken here in Georgia, I haven't noticed any difference in killing power. I prefer the 223 simply because the twist rate in my gun will allow me to shoot heavier bullets, more suited for deer, hogs, and coyote in my area. Put a 53 gr Barnes TSX in the boiler room, and get your knife ready.




Agree with the above, and that truly is where the 22-250 does shine..out past 300 yards and beyond in a prairie-dog town...once you get it dialed in and with proper optics..taking them past 300 is not that difficult for most..

Inside I would say even 250--the 223 is a great caliber..I too use them and like the fact you can see your shot hit normal with the reduced recoil vs the 250...

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: Ripp]
      #242861 - 22/02/14 02:06 AM

A local friend of mine has switched from his normal .300 WTBY mag to a .22-250 Ruger for his deer hunting. He's not had one go more than a couple steps after receiving a 45gr. TSX through the lungs. They are very accurate with his load and are only running about 3,550fps which is closer to .222 and .223 ballistics. His loads using the 60gr. Partition are also very accurate, but have not been tested on deer yet.

I've only fired his .22-250 once, at a wolf running across an overgrown logging slash - appearing now and then, mostly just a head or butt and back while bounding. It was pretty thick. Would have been a feather in my cap, had I hit him - or her. About 250yards distance and rapidly getting further away. Oh well.
This is NOT a condemnation on that calibre or rifle, just my shooting.

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: DarylS]
      #242876 - 22/02/14 07:09 AM

I think 6XC would be interesting from varmints to deer sized animals.

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: DarylS]
      #242899 - 23/02/14 01:45 AM

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A local friend of mine has switched from his normal .300 WTBY mag to a .22-250 Ruger for his deer hunting. He's not had one go more than a couple steps after receiving a 45gr. TSX through the lungs. They are very accurate with his load and are only running about 3,550fps which is closer to .222 and .223 ballistics. His loads using the 60gr. Partition are also very accurate, but have not been tested on deer yet. .




I have a ranching client what is in his 60's.. He has shot elk here in Montana for past 40+ years...his caliber or choice, 220 Swift...shoots one every year...obviously this is NOT for everyone and not sure I think it is a good idea..but the fact is, with proper placement, you certainly do NOT need the big boomers to drop game...

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: Ripp]
      #242942 - 23/02/14 06:16 PM

Just in case newbies read this, a .22 centrefire is NOT recommended for deer sized animals. One needs to be very careful of the shot. If you blow off the beasts jaw, you will loose it and it will starve to death. Hit a too heavy bone in the chest and the bullet may break up on the surface. Another wounded deer lost.

I have lots of deer with a .22 Mag, and .222 some in the wild, a lot in controlled conditions, and they will work well, but real accuracy is needed. Deer flick their heads around a lot so it isn't like shooting a fox in a spotlight.

Re the main discussion, being old fashioned I'd like a .220 Swift.

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: NitroX]
      #247916 - 26/05/14 11:54 PM

Ripp - what distances are you commonly shooting, and do you spot them or do you call them in?

In South Texas, you can typically call them in, though admittedly some are smarter than others and will hold just out out site, or offer only a glimpse.

I had an old rancher tell me that If I was going to call coyotes be ready because when they come in they come right in to your lap. I didn't know if he meant in general or there on that particular ranch, but in my experience he was right. In the late evening you could get them to come in as close as 10 yards. An open sited lever action or a shotgun was best at that point.


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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: Cazadero]
      #247919 - 27/05/14 12:07 AM

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Ripp - what distances are you commonly shooting, and do you spot them or do you call them in?

In South Texas, you can typically call them in, though admittedly some are smarter than others and will hold just out out site, or offer only a glimpse.

I had an old rancher tell me that If I was going to call coyotes be ready because when they come in they come right in to your lap. I didn't know if he meant in general or there on that particular ranch, but in my experience he was right. In the late evening you could get them to come in as close as 10 yards. An open sited lever action or a shotgun was best at that point.




Good Morning

Usually I wait for them to come in as close as I think before they start acting fidgety...but it all changes a lot depending on how much they have been called and type of terrain I am in..have shot them at 20 yards and have shot them at 200 or further..but, as I stated earlier, I really prefer fro them to come in as close as possible..when we call during their mating season or even early season it seems they are more apt to come in close..so we carry both 12 gauge shotguns and centerfire rifles..if they come running in and there are more then one its easier to get them all with the shotgun before they head out or figure out something is up..

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Re: Best coyote caliber---223 or 22-250??? [Re: Ripp]
      #247921 - 27/05/14 12:27 AM

My uncle Don on his ranch in Montana for decades used his 222 with a Unertl scope for hundreds of head of big game .Only when he hunted Moose and Elk would he use a larger rifle .He told me shortly before he died he had killed over 300 deer in his 75 + years of hunting most with the 222 and never lost one when shooting with that rifle. He also killed a lot of Bear with the 222 .Again it is not the caliber but the shooter and my Uncle was a quite excellent shot. He shot a lot for semi sustenance and meat. I have seen him wack Mule Deer at 250 plus yards and obliterate a Black Bears skull at 75 .He shot so many coyotes with that old rifle that you could never count over the years.

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