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Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908
#242552 - 17/02/14 01:12 PM

Hello, I am new to Nitro Express forum. I have a Mannlicher-Schoenauer 1908 of unknown caliber. My grandfather left this rifle to me. From what I can find this rifle should be 8x56ms but it is stamped 8,7 57 on one side and 7m on the other. It also has two bullet weights 18gr on the left by the 8,7 57 and several inches towards the rear of the action 12.7gr. Can anyone shed some light on this for me. I am taking it to my gunsmith for a chamber cast this week but would like to understand the marks on the rifle.
Thank You

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: ms1255]
#242566 - 17/02/14 04:51 PM

Hello and Welcome

If you can put up some pics, that would be a good start.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: paradox_]
#242577 - 17/02/14 08:46 PM

While waiting for photos, from your description the rifle was apparently converted, rebored and reproofed, pre-1940 in Germany to 9x57. 12.7 gramm was the bullet weight of the original 8x56 M-S chambering. 8.7mm is the bore/land diameter (not groove or bullet!) as determined by the proofhouse by slipping cylindrical plug gages into the barrel. 57 mm is the case length. 18 gramm was the heaviest bullet weight of the 9x57 cartridge. Austrian proofhouses did not stamp such information. There should be also crown/B, crown/N, crown/G and crown/R proofmarks on or under the barrel.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: kuduae]
#242584 - 17/02/14 11:13 PM

I have pics of this rifle and will attempt to post them. I tried last night but was unsuccessful.
Will work on it tonight.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: ms1255]
#242616 - 18/02/14 07:36 AM

Quote:

I have pics of this rifle and will attempt to post them. I tried last night but was unsuccessful.
Will work on it tonight.

A couple of threads which might help:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showthrea...page=0&vc=1

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=152577&an=0&page=0&vc=1

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: NitroX]
#242714 - 19/02/14 03:53 PM

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: ms1255]
#242715 - 19/02/14 03:55 PM

got it figured out, this is a pic of the barrel/action with stock removed I will get pics of other marks and post as well

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: ms1255]
#242719 - 19/02/14 04:39 PM

http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/ms12555/media/photo4_zpsdfb6a1bd.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: ms1255]
#242721 - 19/02/14 05:17 PM

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: Claydog]
#242722 - 19/02/14 05:51 PM

everything is there
looks like 9x57 but better made a chamber cast and slug the barrel

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: lancaster]
#242771 - 20/02/14 12:14 PM

I have planned to do so, waiting on my gunsmith to get the materials he told me he has had only one other person ask for a chamber cast since he has been in business and didn't have what was needed in stock.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: ms1255]
#242777 - 20/02/14 01:59 PM

where might I find ammo for this rifle if it is a 9x57? I have seen 9x57 mauser but somehow I don't believe it will be that easy.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: ms1255]
#242786 - 20/02/14 04:38 PM

Try Wolfgang Romey in Germany.

http://wr-munition.com/wrm-munition.html

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#242789 - 20/02/14 06:24 PM

if available in the us, ten years ago OLD WESTERN SCRONGER had importet Romey ammo but now?
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yes, sell own handloads
http://www.ows-ammo.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=0&products_id=151

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#242800 - 20/02/14 10:35 PM

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Try Wolfgang Romey in Germany.

http://wr-munition.com/wrm-munition.html

I notice they have 9x57 and 9x57R. What is the difference and how do you determine which your rifle is compatible with? Thanks to you both each website had some in stock.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: ms1255]
#242801 - 20/02/14 10:51 PM

9x57 is rimless, usually for bolt actions. This is the one usable in your M-Sch action.
9x57R is RIMMED for break-open and other single shot actions, will not fit your rifle.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer 1908 [Re: kuduae]
#242841 - 21/02/14 01:43 PM

Thanks for the info kuduae. Dropped off the rifle today at the gunsmith should have his answer next week.

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