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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: kuduae]
      #376486 - 02/05/23 01:33 AM

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Regarding a .22 RF extra long? I haven't heard of it.

There was .22 RF shorts.
The standard now .22 RF Long Rifle.
An inbetween .22 RF Long.



Left to right:
.22 short hv by Remington
.22lr by Eley
.22 CCI Stinger
.22 extra long by RWS, 20 mm copper case, probably pre-WW1
.22 WMR



You forgot the .22 WRF. Stands Winchester Rim Fire. It had the same case size as the WMR, but a bit shorter. It also shot an inside lubricated lead bullet, same "style" as modern cast bullets and at a velocity of 1,445fps.
As well there was an obscure oversized .22 Winchester "Auto", which had a case a little shorter than the long rifle, but also fatter. It shot, I think, the same bullet as the .22 WRF, but at about 1,050fps. IIRC, it was chambered in a Winchester Semi Auto rifle similar to the .405 and .351 centre fires.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: DarylS]
      #376488 - 02/05/23 03:02 AM

have one of this somewhere, probably don#t find when make the pic

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #376489 - 02/05/23 03:03 AM

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this picture of the german africa explorer Carl Peters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Peters
is interesting because he have a borchardt pistol with shoulder stock on his side but the rifle he have is looking like lee speed to me



Borchardt C 93






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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #376924 - 24/05/23 03:40 AM

a rare teutonic sporter, still in 303
https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt....303&o=neu#

















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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #376925 - 24/05/23 05:14 AM

Now thats nice !
You rarely see a modified bolt handle on a lee, a very handy stalking rifle in an excellent calibre.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: yumastepside]
      #376952 - 25/05/23 03:52 PM

Ha! Never even imagined such a thing

Thanks lancaster!

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: Marrakai]
      #390441 - 16/03/25 06:58 AM

B.S.A CO. FOR JOHN RIGBY & CO. A .303 (BRIT.) 'LEE-SPEED' BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 1121,
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B.S.A CO. FOR JOHN RIGBY & CO.
A .303 (BRIT.) 'LEE-SPEED' BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 1121,
for 1898, 24 1/2in. unsigned nitro reproved barrel (in 2024, barrel likely historic replacement), open rear sight with two folding leaf sights with white metal inlaid sight-lines, ramped bead fore-sight, the breech end numbered '5537', nocksform with stippled sighting flat, bolt dust cover with light border engraving and marked 'JOHN RIGBY & CO. 72 ST. JAMES'S ST. LONDON.', turned-down low-profile bolt handle, manual bolt-mounted safety, detachable magazine with border engraving, triggerguard numbered '1121', butt-stock collar marked 'LEE SPEED. PATENTS. B.S.A. CO. B1879.' and with border engraving, blued finish overall, figured pistolgrip stock (poor insert repair to toe) with horn pistolgrip-cap, 14in. pull including steel buttplate, fore-end with horn finial, sling eyes, weight 7lb. 7oz.
Provenance: The makers have kindly confirmed that the records list the rifle as 'Lee Rigby Sporting Best', Sept. 27th 1898, .303, 26" barrel for H. Weld Blundell

'H. Weld Blundell' is likely to refer to Herbert Joseph Weld Blundell (1852-1935) a traveller, archaeologist, philanthropist and author.

His travels took him to initially to Persia in 1891 and he then spent ten years travelling and chronicling various expeditions in North Africa and East Africa, between 1894 and 1905. The purchase of the Rigby rifle corresponds with an expedition to Abyssinia he undertook in December 1898 with Lord Lovat, Reginald Koettlitz (late of the Jackson-Harmsworth Expedition) and Mr Harwood (naturalist). His subsequent chronicle 'A Journey Through Abyssinia to the Nile' was published in the Geographical Journal in February 1900.

During the Second Boer War, he acted briefly as correspondent for the Morning Post before continuing on his expeditions, the results of which lead to the establishing of the Weld Blundell collection in The Ashmolean museum

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #390442 - 16/03/25 07:47 AM

Fancy piece of kit indeed!

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: 93x64mm]
      #390450 - 16/03/25 01:03 PM

Given the history of its owner, one can assume the rifle has well and truely "been there, done that". Not just a fantastic rifle, but a piece of history from an age never to be repeated.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #390469 - 17/03/25 09:16 AM

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Given the history of its owner, one can assume the rifle has well and truely "been there, done that".


Given the look of it not sure that it has. Assuming it has been refinished at some stage. Its a very nice Speed.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: Claydog]
      #390560 - 20/03/25 01:27 AM

I see the cocking piece has been machined for the Rigby peep sight. Will this one fit?

https://www.mclaughlinmetalworks.com/portfolio/original-rigby-style-peep-sight

Edited by superbee (20/03/25 01:28 AM)

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: superbee]
      #390569 - 20/03/25 10:28 AM

To me the cocking piece looked standard for a Lee Speed of its age. Clearly I still have a lot to learn. Could you explain what makes it look like its been machined for the Rigby peep sight?

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #390591 - 21/03/25 02:04 AM

The dovetail machined cut across the back of the cocking piece.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: superbee]
      #390604 - 21/03/25 09:59 AM

Thanks Superbee. I originaly thought that was just a trick of the light, but now having magnified it in a photoviewer I can see what you're refering to. Good pick up.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #390710 - 25/03/25 10:58 PM

Sold for £3600.00 pounds! With auction fees and import fees to canada it would be about $9500.00 Canadian funds. Way out of my price range. Lee speeds seem to be going up in price quickly. 10 to 15 years ago that rifle would have sold for way under a £1000.00 pounds.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: superbee]
      #390772 - 30/03/25 01:08 AM

Another lee speed at auction. A nice army navy. This one is in canada, with the Canadian dollar in the tank, overseas and US buyers should get a deal. I won,t be bidding on this one, all ready have a nice army navy. Tried to add pics but can,t seem to figure it out!

https://www.icollector.com/BSA-CO-LEE-EN...03-BR_i56142537

Edited by superbee (30/03/25 01:29 AM)

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: superbee]
      #390773 - 30/03/25 04:00 AM

A few "sporterized" Long Lee rifles in that auction too.
If one wanted to build their own Lee Speed replica, that's the action to start with.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: superbee]
      #390774 - 30/03/25 06:40 AM

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Another lee speed at auction. A nice army navy. This one is in canada, with the Canadian dollar in the tank, overseas and US buyers should get a deal. I won,t be bidding on this one, all ready have a nice army navy. Tried to add pics but can,t seem to figure it out!

https://www.icollector.com/BSA-CO-LEE-EN...03-BR_i56142537



Now THAT'S a nice rifle, if going for under a grand. I wouldn't mind that one in the safe, but then, too many there I don't shoot, already.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: DarylS]
      #390778 - 30/03/25 04:37 PM

beautyful



Make: BSA CO LEE ENFIELD
Model: Factory Lee Speed Sporter
Caliber: .303 BR

Bore(s): Fair, Worn, Light Pitting
Comes With: Magazine
Action: Bolt Action Rifle

Main Description: Receiver numbered 8225, also on bolt handle, trigger guard has 47254 on it. Blade front sight with folding hood and ramp, adjustable u notched express rear sight with one fixed two folding leafs and adjustable ladder with ramp, metal has been polished and reblued, receiver has border engraving, dust cover marked Army & Navy Cooperative Society LIM'D London. Bolt handle is swept forward with flat top portion on knob, magazine cut-off, grooved tang safety. Two piece refinished wood stocks, horn forend and pistol grip caps, checkered forearm and pistol grip, smooth steel butt plate with engraved trap, stock repaired at toe, vanity plate, swivel studs, engraved trigger guard.




































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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #390780 - 30/03/25 05:50 PM

CAD900, current bid.

Shows the $A4000 recently seen in Australua is as ridiculous as thought.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: NitroX]
      #390785 - 30/03/25 09:12 PM

Weeeell...

"Bore(s): Fair, Worn, Light Pitting"

With vintage .303s, bore condition is everything!

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: Marrakai]
      #390789 - 31/03/25 03:37 AM

I guess it depends on who is looking at the bore condition and what experience THEY have.
I bought a 9.3x57 from Tradeexcanada years ago for $275.00 CDN. The bore was listed as fair, dark, 'some" pitting.
After receiving the rifle, I cleaned the bore, something it looked like hadn't been done for years.
The bore was quite lovely, no pitting & not "dark". With my 3x9x40 Burris, it shot everything from 232 to 300gr. into an inch
or better at 100 meters. My bro now owns that rifle as his modern moose rifle, loaded with 286gr. Alaskan Norma RN's at 2,200fps.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: DarylS]
      #390953 - 04/04/25 09:30 PM

Ran across this one. Fairly nice looking:
"BSA Lee Speed .303 best quality bolt action rifle, serial number 5282, 24.5inch barrel with sling loop, anti glare rib, three blade sights graduated from 100 -300 yards, and folding ladder sight from 400 to 1,000 yards, Birmingham proof marks, the knox form applied with an Edward VII coronet, the bolt is fitted with a dust cover bearing the gun serial number and retailer William Moore and Grey, 165 Piccadilly London, the wrist joint stamped BSA Lee Speed Patents, K551, the reverse engraved A.R.M., figured chequered stock with vacant escutcheon, steel boss to the pistol grip and sprung trap to the butt plate, the forend fitted with horn end cap. Together with a BSA catalogue and pamplet of information about Lee Speed rifles."
Lee-Speed

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: LRF]
      #390955 - 04/04/25 10:32 PM

I really like that rifle! Beautiful wood.

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Re: Lee Speed at Auction [Re: fjrdoc]
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