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mckinney
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Re: is it really worth this amount? [Re: eagle27]
      #237336 - 01/11/13 04:33 AM

I agree. "provenance" means history of ownership, regardless of how the ownership came about (except theft of course which doesn't result in real ownership).

If HM owned the rifle at some stage it makes no difference whether it was commissioned by him or simply delivered to him, he is part of the provenance. Just as If David Rockefeller owned a Rembrandt painting, he's part of the provenance of that painting.

In the gun world, I think provenance has a lot more weight if the prior owner was a famous shooter or hunter or outlaw. Fletcher Jamieson, Wild Bill Hickok, Jesse James, Bell, others. I'm not sure it carries equal weight in the case of royalty.

However, there may be UK royalty afficionados who are not even gun people who would value this rifle highly, assuming the provenance is real and documented. Photos of the man on a hunting trip with the rifle, etc., written accounts of a hunt, etc. would all enhance the value.

It will be interesting to see. My guess is it won't fetch the asking price. But I don't blame the owner for trying.

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Re: is it really worth this amount? [Re: eagle27]
      #237338 - 01/11/13 05:25 AM

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Nevertheless a nice rifle but in a rather poor cartridge



Poor? I had it in mind it reads as (for its age) a better than 'poor' cartridge. I looked up some info and I reckon it would still easily take a deer or two today.

Quote from CH`s

The original factory loads included a 180 grain FMJ spitzer bullet at a claimed muzzle velocity (MV) of 2800 fps, and a 146 grain spitzer hunting bullet at a claimed MV of 3100 fps. I say "claimed," as I understand that these loads actually delivered less velocity than specified. They still traveled right along, however, particularly the 146 grain bullet that may have delivered MVs of 3000 fps. Later factory loads advertised a MV of 2550 fps for a 180 grain bullet, and a MV of 2900 fps for a 140 grain bullet.

The .280 Ross became popular enough to be picked up by both Remington and Winchester, who offered factory loaded ammunition until 1935. These included, I believe, a 150 grain SP bullet at a MV of 2800 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 2610 ft. lbs. Contemporary British factory loads gave a 160 grain bullet a MV of 2700 fps and ME of 2600 ft. lbs.

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Re: is it really worth this amount? [Re: gryphon]
      #237339 - 01/11/13 05:29 AM

As an afterthought I looked up the 280 HM based on the 280 Ross,I feel this rifle will bring more than the one above!


http://www.hallowellco.com/halger.htm

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Re: is it really worth this amount? [Re: gryphon]
      #237340 - 01/11/13 05:53 AM

The Halger rifle must have gone for near the asking price of $12.7K. I remember when it was listed 2 or 3 years ago and it wasn't on Hallowell's website long.

Speaking of Morris Hallowell, looks like he did some buying at the recent James Julia auction. I don't think he's ever had such a large inventory. He has an S&W triple lock target model listed at $37,450 (not a typo). It came from the Goddard collection at a recent Rock Island auction.

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Re: is it really worth this amount? [Re: mckinney]
      #237370 - 01/11/13 02:02 PM

This is just a "period" problem. The original UsedGuns advert inadvertently left them out.

the listing should have read ".280 at $280.00"



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Re: is it really worth this amount? [Re: Well_Well_Well]
      #237681 - 10/11/13 07:00 PM

If it somehow gets listed for $1400 i call dibs!

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