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Capreolus
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What to build on an 8-bore action?
      #235627 - 14/09/13 11:59 PM

An 8-bore action is coming up for auction at the next Holt's auction and I wondered what were the possible calibre choices of double rifle to fit this action - assuming that the action was suitable etc...?

This lead me to thinking what are the suitable calibre conversions for the other shotgun sizes with a view to creating a well balanced, safe and elegant double rifle?

8-bore

10-bore

12-bore (3")

12-bore (2-3/4")

16-bore

20-bore

28-bore

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Capreolus]
      #235640 - 15/09/13 11:29 AM

Why not an 8?

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: gatsby]
      #235667 - 16/09/13 12:03 AM

What Gatsby said.....

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Marrakai]
      #235669 - 16/09/13 02:00 AM

If not an 8 - then a 10 bore 3 or 3 1/2".

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Capreolus
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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: DarylS]
      #235786 - 19/09/13 07:39 AM

Sometimes we over-complexificate things!
I suspect that the idea of owning and shooting an 8-bore is so far away from my normal hunting that it just hadn't entered my mind.
Whilst it would definitely be an interesting hunting experience I think I would be massively over-gunned for my normal quarry of Roe deer and foxes!

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Capreolus]
      #235793 - 19/09/13 11:28 AM

In that case, we are left wondering why you would even be looking at an 8-bore action if its for a roe/fox-gun build?
Have you had a double eight in your hands? They are big....

Having said that, I have bagged a few feral cats in the Australian bush with nitro doubles over the years, up to and including .577. They were no less dead for having been hit with bigger-than-needed projectiles!

If its just for fun-shooting, I'd still be looking at the 8-bore option. You gotta admit, that would be a pretty classy gun to uncase in front of your friends at the range!

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Marrakai]
      #235794 - 19/09/13 12:20 PM

Tony,
I shot a Klipspringer that probably didn't weigh 20 lbs, last year, in Zimbabwe, with my .450 #2 NE. Dead is dead, as you say. Certainly, a 500 grain, .458 bullet at 2150fps does a heck of a lot less damage on a little animal like that than a 140 grainer at 3200fps!

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Ron_Vella]
      #235815 - 20/09/13 03:16 AM

"the idea of owning and shooting an 8-bore is so far away from my normal hunting that it just hadn't entered my mind.
Whilst it would definitely be an interesting hunting experience I think I would be massively over-gunned for my normal quarry of Roe deer and foxes!"
But, you could convert it into a .577; sell it, as truly big bores bring bigger money than smaller bores, which would give you more than enough money to buy most any smaller caliber double rifle, more suitable to your real needs and wants.

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #235816 - 20/09/13 03:25 AM


"But, you could convert it into a .577; sell it, as truly big bores bring bigger money than smaller bores, which would give you more than enough money to buy most any smaller caliber double rifle, more suitable to your real needs and wants."

If you are doing it just for the money, then
IMHO it is the wrong reason.

But you are still going to have a home made 577
and unless it is a full Nitro 577, the action
is too big and even then it is probably still
on the large size.

Why wouldn't someone who wanted a 577 Nitro
just buy a new one ?

And for under $10,000 you can buy a vintage
Toplever Hammerless 577 Nitro for Black gun
like a Webley. Just look what is available.

And if all you wanted to build was a 577 Light Nitro,
then just buy a Greener 12 gauge and build one on that.

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #236276 - 01/10/13 09:18 AM

Capreolus, just a side question, but one is allowed to hunt(like waterfowl) with big bore shotguns, like 8 bore or larger? I recall reading somewhere that your still allowed to use punt guns for sport hunting correct?
Are 8 bore shells available, cause here the only nitro proof 8 bore shotguns are only used for cleaning boilers(which is a really awesome use of gunpowder, IMO.
Didn't mean to hijack your thread. But as others stated, with such potential for a big bore rifle, it would seem almost criminal to not make a nitro proof 8 bore rifle. I do love the .577 ne, my favorite of the nitro express calibers, but a 10 bore(one is for sale in the same auction as the 8 bore) would suffice and is quite a bit cheaper.
Just my $.02.

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Crusader68]
      #236355 - 03/10/13 09:38 PM

Hi
Sorry for not responding I have been away for a while.
The initial prompt for this question was the Stock action and forend of a Spanish built 8-bore non- ejector came up for auction with an estimate of £30-50 which seemed like a good starting point for someone who knew that they wanted one.
The auction results should be coming through by the end of today so I will let you know what the gun made after all.

I am also waiting to find out if my £70 bid for the Thomas Bland "Brent" 3" 12-gauge with the broken stock was successful. I hope to turn this into something that is suitable for wild boar and like Ron I have no problems at all with a fair margin of overkill.
Last year in Croatia my friend bowled over a smallish pig with his .30-06 double at a distance of about 15 metres - he shoo-ed the the dogs off so he could finish it off safely.
The pig, who by this stage had put two and two together correctly - held my mate directly responsible for what was happening to him and being no longer pre-occupied by the dogs decided to get some payback.
My mate had to swat the thing off his leg before he could finish it with a shot from the hip!

Much hilarity all round and lots of micky taking but we all recognised that things would have ben very different with a 200Kg Keiler.

The biggest one they shot last year weighed in at 237kg

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Capreolus]
      #236372 - 04/10/13 04:00 AM

So the results are in
The stock action and forend of the spanish 8- bore sold for £35
And the T.Bland sold for £135

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Capreolus]
      #236600 - 10/10/13 11:39 PM

A client just won the heavy greener 8 bore Jones under-lever single barrel. I'll be adding an ovate rifle barrel to it via the shoe lump method, either an 8 or 9 bore depending upon how it measures up once it arrives. Should be a fun project.
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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Marrakai]
      #239723 - 24/12/13 11:06 AM

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In that case, we are left wondering why you would even be looking at an 8-bore action if its for a roe/fox-gun build?
Have you had a double eight in your hands? They are big....

Having said that, I have bagged a few feral cats in the Australian bush with nitro doubles over the years, up to and including .577. They were no less dead for having been hit with bigger-than-needed projectiles!

If its just for fun-shooting, I'd still be looking at the 8-bore option. You gotta admit, that would be a pretty classy gun to uncase in front of your friends at the range!


.577? On a CAT? must have made an ungodly mess.


I'd have done it too, though.

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Shackleton]
      #244537 - 28/03/14 12:08 PM

Would a 450 2 3/4 bpe be to much for a well built 16 frame?

Edited by Chavez (28/03/14 02:05 PM)

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: Chavez]
      #244554 - 28/03/14 09:06 PM

sounds the right size, I recommend a Suhl made 16 ga action made between 1950 and 1990

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Edited by lancaster (28/03/14 09:06 PM)

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Re: What to build on an 8-bore action? [Re: lancaster]
      #244561 - 29/03/14 12:22 AM

Thanks, the action is Russian greener type made in 1970 hammer gun , I have a block of 4140 for the monoblock, need to find couple donor barrels that I can taper to the same as the shotgun barrels 26". Danny.

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