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500Nitro
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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #235822 - 20/09/13 04:47 AM

DRjack

A couple of people who shot guns that did not shoot
anywhere like what the target purported to be.
And I think one person had a target as the ? serial number ?
on the target was not the same as on his gun.

If the gun shoots completely differently to the target
provided, then what does that tell you.

It was a long time ago that it was documented and
I am not going back and reading them all again.

"had to have been done by the gun dealer;"

I don't talk to dealers here about Sabatti's,
I was referring to posts on AR most of the
replies on AR are from US owners.

I doubt Cabelas would have done that.

Maybe the factory cocked up.


"in a vain attempt to discredit the make."

I don't need to discredit the make, they did a
good enough job of it themselves without any help
from me or anyone else.

Just go back and re read the hundreds of posts on
AR by owners.

Hey, at the end of the end of the day I want
them to be good guns.

Edited by 500Nitro (20/09/13 04:48 AM)

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: 500Nitro]
      #235829 - 20/09/13 08:09 AM


By the way, if Sabatti hadn't buggered up the guns,
I would have bought one buy now, knowing full well
what I was getting for the price.

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #235832 - 20/09/13 09:37 AM

the first day of the shot show the year they came out i was the first one to put an po with EAA for three rifles , they never honored my po this was before cabelas stuck their face in it,now im glad it was not honored , and who will fix the ones that are here they will fail , EAA is a joke .

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #235835 - 20/09/13 10:14 AM

OK, I think the wrong numbers in my case were accidental. The rifle had been transferred around some between locations. An honest mistake! The targets simply got mixed up I am sure, and the retailer went to some trouble to locate the rifles that matched the targets, results of which I do not know. The rifle was returned today, no troubles, and the distributor said it will go back to the main store with the difficulties noted.

All fine and dandy! BUT, I saw and refused, an older rifle, with the ground muzzles, some butt wear from being in racks for a long time, which is still for sale to the unwary. So, I have to say that my experience with the retailer has been very positive, but with the Sab, I won't waste my time further.

My 2 cents worth.

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: gungadoug]
      #235837 - 20/09/13 10:47 AM


"I saw and refused, an older rifle, with the ground muzzles,"

Personally, I don't think they should still be for sale.

If Cabelas have a no fault return policy because of known problems, IMHO they shouldn't be selling them if they
know they are not fit for the purpose.

It's like selling a new car where you know the engine
is buggered.

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: 500Nitro]
      #235839 - 20/09/13 11:24 AM

This is a new outlet, and the inventory was populated from older, existing stores as I understand it. I suspect that the inventory was not the cream of the crop from the existing stores. I have not mentioned the distributor, and will not, as I respect their integrity. So, when all is said, I think the Sab product is iffy. There are certainly good ones out there, and equally bad ones! Ya takes ya chances!

Best, doug

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: bwananelson]
      #235883 - 21/09/13 06:35 AM

bwananelson: "EAA is a joke . "

I agree; my experience with them has been profoundly negative. That is why I suggested to Cabelas headquarters that they should do what is necessary to import themselves, instead of going through EAA, or to find another importer, if they care to avoid all the negativity connected to EAA.

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: gungadoug]
      #235884 - 21/09/13 06:39 AM

gungadoug: "OK, I think the wrong numbers in my case were accidental. The rifle had been transferred around some between locations. An honest mistake! The targets simply got mixed up I am sure, and the retailer went to some trouble to locate the rifles that matched the targets, results of which I do not know. The rifle was returned today, no troubles, and the distributor said it will go back to the main store with the difficulties noted."

I suspect that this is the case with all, or most, of the so-called problems of this nature.

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: gungadoug]
      #235885 - 21/09/13 06:55 AM

Gungadoub: "This is a new outlet, and the inventory was populated from older, existing stores as I understand it. I suspect that the inventory was not the cream of the crop from the existing stores. I have not mentioned the distributor, and will not, as I respect their integrity. So, when all is said, I think the Sab product is iffy. There are certainly good ones out there, and equally bad ones! Ya takes ya chances!"

My experiences have been similar. With so many Cabelas stores scattered all over the country, I shopped online @ Cabelas websites, found what I wanted, telephoned them to talk with them about specific rifles, asked if they were aware that some earlier Sabatti doubles had muzzle grinding issues, etc., asked if they would carefully inspect, under good light and magnification, muzzles of rifles I wss showing interest in, and guarantee me, in email message, that muzzles were sound; not ground, before shipping to my Oregon Cabelas store for me to pick up (of course, I was never obligated to buy, should my own inspection find any problem with said rifle, when I went to pick them up). Using that routine, I found quite a diverse variation in what clerks had to say. The ones I respected and appreciated the most, told me right away that they were fully aware of the muzzle grinding on some of the rifles, and were more than willing to do as I asked, before shipping them to Oregon Cahelas store. However, I found some clerks, I believe, pretending to be stupid, unaware of any muzzle grinding issues on any Sabatti rifles, etc., and/or trying to deceive. Further, I found some clerks who didn't seem to have a clue about anything related to double rifles of any kind; all they wanted to do is sell something. I believe all of this has been some of the reason that I have been able to get best Sabatti rifles with no issues, that shoot as well as, or better than, my classic old Westley Richasrds, Lancaster, Rigby, and others. Shopping for a Sabatti, as with anything else, the buyer has to beware, and stay ahead of the game, or be sorry for not shopping "smart."

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #235887 - 21/09/13 08:49 AM

Jack I've had similar experience with Cabela's over the years with numerous attempts to buy from them -- double rifles / double guns / etc.

Really it's a shame.

Specifc to the sabatti rifles, the crap (grinder fodder) rifles should be disposed of, once and for all.

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: tinker]
      #235888 - 21/09/13 08:58 AM


"Specifc to the sabatti rifles, the crap (grinder fodder) rifles should be disposed of, once and for all."


Why would you continue to sell a heap of guns that
could well continually come back ???

Everyone knows sorting out customer problems takes time that could be used to do something productive.

They should pack the whole lot up and ship them
back to Sab and let Sab sort them out, rebarrel
them or whatever.

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #235890 - 21/09/13 11:07 AM

SABATTI double rifles

Mine is 45-70 and was ground in right barrel muzzle a little. All i did GROUND muzzles back 1/8" and it was gone. Then recrowned them. Friend that hand loads for me started shooting it with his favorite load for RUGER #1! Some tweeking was needed and then. Wooooooow you cant believe this, but at 55 yards it shoots LR-LR 4 shots in a rugged hole. NOW tell me what did i do wrong, so it comeout right ?

SABATTI DR are very well built !

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: savage458]
      #235891 - 21/09/13 11:21 AM

savage

I don't think anyone says anything is wrong with the build.
Wood to metal fit leaves a bit to be desired but the metal
work of the action seems to be holding up.

A few have disintegrated into pieces !!!



Edited by 500Nitro (21/09/13 11:26 AM)

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: savage458]
      #235892 - 21/09/13 11:24 AM

savage458-

Yiur rifle shoots well.
Many do not.
Many which made it to the south pacific also did not shoot well, and a few of them have had their ribs shot off.

It is not anything you have done.
The issue is that Sabatti had shipped a great number of double rifles with significant flaws, and here in NA, Cabela's has them.
The faulty rifles AND a certain element of the Cabela's staff should leave circulation.

Congratulations to you and any other owner of a Sabatti from the affected batch(es) who have rifles that shoot well and reliably.
You win.

In the meantime the reputation of Sabatti, the reputation of Cabela's, the reputation of the importer, and to some extent the sportsmen who persist through this condition all suffer.

There is a solution.
It's obvious.
Enjoy your rifle!
:-)




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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: tinker]
      #235893 - 21/09/13 11:34 AM


"Many which made it to the south pacific also did not shoot well, and a few of them have had their ribs shot off."

Does anyone know if these got fixed in the long run ?

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: 500Nitro]
      #235898 - 21/09/13 04:38 PM

What was the cause of the ribs shooting off? Might it be connected to the use of mono-metal bullets, A frames, Partitions etc, which some insist on using in doublke rifles?

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: NitroX]
      #235903 - 21/09/13 11:11 PM

John:
The rib on my first Sabatti came off, what was interesting is the barrels were blued under the rib! I'm assuming that was the reason. I'm not sure that solder would adhere well to a blued surface.
Bob

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: aromakr]
      #236029 - 25/09/13 08:14 AM

Gents, who is the Australian agent then for Sabatti?
Tried to find on the web but no joy?
Regards
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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: 93x64mm]
      #236031 - 25/09/13 08:50 AM


They are based down south in Vic.

Look up the agent for that expensive shotgun,
fck, can't remember the name.

I'll post once I remember.


BTW - They go for 10k here !!!

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: 500Nitro]
      #236078 - 26/09/13 08:05 AM

I have a friend that bought a 9.3x74r. I noticed that the crowns and barrels looked odd when looking down at the muzzle. It is shooting really well and he is happy as can be with the rifle. I found out about the Dremel tool regulation on some of the early rifles and struggled on wether to tell him and potentially spoil his happiness. I finally decided he should know and he was pretty upset, he had actually put an order in for one in 450-400. He cancelled the order and ripped Cabelas a new one.

What he expressed to me as the complete lack of trust that he had for the maker. At the end of th day I think that's what it comes down to. Sabatti tried to pull a fast one and took short cuts. How can you trust them not to do it again.?

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: Rell]
      #237171 - 27/10/13 06:02 AM


This is NOT good news.

A post from someone else on another forum.

Everybody assumed that the X in the serial number meant
it was new build and no muzzle grinding but that appears to be wrong.

The fact Cabelas is closing them out and not getting back into them says a lot.

"Inspected a 450/400 Sabatti with the X through the last number at the Buda, TX Cabelas today. both barrels had the dreaded "dremel" regulation. It was somewhat subtle and you had to look for it. The muzzles were completely round. the rifling was ground flat but it did not compromise the thickness of the barrel so the muzzles are round but the rifling was ground to the bottom of the grooves.

The "closeouts" are priced from $3799.99 to $4499.99 for new guns either EJ or EXT. The closeouts do not come with their 30 day guarantee I was told"

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #237958 - 18/11/13 12:49 PM

Quote:

By Doubleriflejack

Opti wood stock wood. I can assure you that it isn't Turkish walnut; only a rank amateur not familiar with walnut wood might think it. A trained eye can readily tell that this fake wood grain on the so-called opti wood is not real at all. The real wood stock, real wood, but with plainest, cheapest possible wood, is "enhanced" with man-made overlay that is paper thin, so when it wears off, is scratched or otherwise damaged, it cannot be sanded down and refinished, unless one doesn't mind the ugly pain wood beneath. Personally, I would never own a gun/rifle with opti wood or anything similar.



DRJ is correct! Opti wood is a photograph of a piece of Turkish wood and is applied to the wood in the same way camo pattern is applied to the metal on a shotgun. I will also assure you that looks will not last, and what you will be left with is a no-grain maple stock. The wood is the least of the problems where Sabatti doubles are concerned! What you should be worried about is the regulation. The fanciest double rifle in the world that is not regulated properly is not worth even an Opti-wood stock!

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: Seancass]
      #238274 - 24/11/13 05:32 PM

I still like mine , 9.3x74 . Az Coues



Edited by CptCurl (24/11/13 10:56 PM)

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: ruffcountry]
      #238288 - 25/11/13 09:55 AM

my daddy always said its cheaper to buy the Oates once they have been through the horse

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Re: let's talk about Sabatti [Re: bwananelson]
      #238487 - 01/12/13 02:36 PM


Interesting video of Sabatti regulation appeared on another web site.

Or more specifically how not to do it.

It does answer some questions.

It also seems Cabelas are "getting out" of Sabattis
once they are all sold because it is costing them too much.

Also, some interesting "excuses" as to why barrels
were dremelled. I'll see if I can find the quote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0qzBy5mijk

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