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rigbymauser
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A quick buck..
      #235274 - 07/09/13 05:46 PM

This rifle http://www.gunsinternational.com/Holland...un_id=100360386 here was for sale at a company called http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/
Price at Collectors firearms was USD9500 last time I corrosponded with them before christmas 2012.

The world today is just too small to pull a stunt like this. Just about everybody who has internet and have interest keeps them selfs updated.

Edited by rigbymauser (07/09/13 05:48 PM)

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Nordmann
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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: rigbymauser]
      #235277 - 07/09/13 08:18 PM

Rigbymauser....WHY is that a stunt?

The guy bought it, he has owned it for a year and now he is selling it, thats just business.

It sounds like a case of could have, would have , but didn't on your part.

Consider...

He has a years interest to recoup on his investment

He has paid for the advertisement

Phone bill

He has to pack it and ship it

He will probably have to entertain lower offers

He will probably have to offer a guarantee (consumer protection laws)

Sounds like you were a day late and a dollar short!

I say good luck to the guy.

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Edited by Nordmann (07/09/13 08:25 PM)

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rigbymauser
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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: Nordmann]
      #235280 - 07/09/13 10:20 PM

Quote:

Rigbymauser....WHY is that a stunt?

The guy bought it, he has owned it for a year and now he is selling it, thats just business.

It sounds like a case of could have, would have , but didn't on your part.

Consider...

He has a years interest to recoup on his investment

He has paid for the advertisement

Phone bill

He has to pack it and ship it

He will probably have to entertain lower offers

He will probably have to offer a guarantee (consumer protection laws)

Sounds like you were a day late and a dollar short!

I say good luck to the guy.



I know...The olīsayin`..If I find a 100$ bill on the street I will not sell it for less...However here has the seller found a 10$ bill and added an x-tra zero and sell it as a 100$ bill.

BTW. The itīs a gun that is worn(used a lot). The dollshead ext. shows that(very rounded edges).

Regarding consumers law: I donīt know if privates in America are subjected and obligated to follow consumers law when selling an antique..Do you know?.(you must know as it appear by your statement!).
Just about all gundealers in America who sell on antique firearm(pre 1898) sell it as a Curio or ANTIQUE, to free themselves from legal procecution if the gun was fired and something went wrong or ofcouse it can be owned by anyone because it is an antique.

Edited by rigbymauser (07/09/13 10:22 PM)

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Nordmann
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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: rigbymauser]
      #235289 - 08/09/13 03:52 AM

"A man who misses his opportunity, and a monkey who misses his branch, cannot be saved." old Hindu proverb

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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: Nordmann]
      #235295 - 08/09/13 12:03 PM

The seller really does push the envelope. RE: The great news is the bores sharp rifling with pitting. He also insinuates that his authoring of a book might have somehow have brought extra value to this gun. Hey maybe it does?

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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: gatsby]
      #235296 - 08/09/13 12:59 PM

At least if anyone here is looking at it they might be able to bargain him down.

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rigbymauser
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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: tophet1]
      #235301 - 08/09/13 04:36 PM

Quote:

At least if anyone here is looking at it they might be able to bargain him down.



My point was to warn members here on the board regarding this rifle. A professional company assess the gun to 9500$ which to some point might be an ok price for what it is. If the company had meant the gun was worth more, they would have sold it for more. Good professional dealers in the business will never overprice their items. Customers will simply stay away. Dealers I have done business with like Cotswood Guns, Champlin Firearms, Feine Jagdwaffen can all vouch for their guns descriptions and if you don't like what you are getting, you can always return the item. Collectors Firearms in Texas were very honest regarding this rifle and their responds was very fast on emails. Two good signs they are worth/serious dealing with.

Edited by rigbymauser (08/09/13 04:39 PM)

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Marrakai
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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: rigbymauser]
      #235339 - 09/09/13 10:17 AM

To about the same degree, this old double is "near mint" too....





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Edited by CptCurl (28/09/13 11:46 PM)

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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: Marrakai]
      #235396 - 10/09/13 12:07 PM

Marrakai, very clever. I'll watch out for that trick when buying guns claimed to be "near mint" in the future.

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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: Nordmann]
      #235404 - 10/09/13 12:46 PM

Well, I couldn't stand it sitting at the side lines any longer.

I never thought the day would come that I would agree with Nordmann, but he is absolutely right. This is nothing more than a fine example of "free enterprise". And perhaps a "shoulda - coulda - woulda" .... all too late.

I've got dozens of guns that could be easily tracked back to when/how much, I got them for on the internet. But that will have little to do with what I will be asking when I go to sell them.

Just because some big Texas Dealer sets the first price, doesn't make it so. I've bought many things from this "exact" Big Texas Dealer, and have made a tidy profit every time I've sold the item. Once I bought a rifle for $2400, and didn't feel a bit guilty when I sold it for $5500, less than a year later.

He was happy, I was happy, and my buyer was happy. So happy he bought another one from me 18 months later.

That's what makes the World go round.

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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: buckstix]
      #235405 - 10/09/13 01:07 PM


Rigby

"A professional company assess the gun to 9500$"
When you spoke to them in Dec 2012. The gun MAY have been assessed earlier.

"which to some point might be an ok price for what it is. If the company had meant the gun was worth more, they would have sold it for more."

Not always. Quite a few people firmly believe in leaving something in it for the next bloke.

Secondly, it was only a few years ago guns were jumping
more than the $2200 in the same time period.

At the end of the day, it does not matter what a gun is advertised for, the value of the gun is what a particular person is willing to pay for it on a particular day. The next day, another person might be willing to pay more.

The day you start worrying what someone bought a gun for that you are interested in is the day you will probably walk away from a very good deal on a Double Rifle,
not because it isn't a good deal but because in your mind
they are making too much profit on it.
And you will be the loser.

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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: buckstix]
      #235406 - 10/09/13 01:08 PM

Not a gun sale but a company sale of a controlling interest in shares.

The seller (the managing director) complained to the new owner (the Chairman), "We have been getting weekly enquiries into controlling interest in this company since we sold to you, and all of them have been for more money!"

The owner replied: "You received 100% of what you asked for, and we paid you every cent you asked for."

Sums it up in a free market economy.

Same for guns.

You pay what you want. You receive what you offer it for. In a transaction with a sale and a purchase. No one is forced to do anything.

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buckstix
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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: 500Nitro]
      #235408 - 10/09/13 01:49 PM

Quote:


Rigby

The day you start worrying what someone bought a gun for that you are interested in is the day you will probably walk away from a very good deal on a Double Rifle, not because it isn't a good deal but because in your mind they are making too much profit on it. And you will be the loser.



Funny thing is ... "You never remember the guns you bought ... You only remember the guns you could of bought."

I've had many occasions where I watched someone buy a gun ahead of me, and then told the new owner to give me a call when he was ready to sell it. Several have commented that since I knew the price they paid, they were reluctant to sell it to me fearing I'd be upset with their profit. I assured them that the price "they" paid, had little to do with the price that "I" was willing to pay.

In one example, I witnessed the new owner paying $1500 for a rifle, and a year later, he sheepishly offered it to me for $3000, thinking I would begrudge him doubling his money. I snapped it up for the $3000 offer, knowing I would be selling it in the future for $5500. Everything stays in balance.

When I ponder a purchase, I add 10% to my "willing to pay price" every time I "ponder" if I should buy it or not. After 3 or 4 ponders, it usually goes home with me.

This approach has gotten me a lot of great iron over the years, and created my "signature".

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Nordmann
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Re: A quick buck.. [Re: buckstix]
      #235410 - 10/09/13 04:08 PM

Bloody Hell, I must be getting the hang of this forum thing, especially if buckstix is starting to agree with me. Now thats a what I call a stunt!

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