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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: larcher]
      #233727 - 07/08/13 08:45 PM

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Minimal (or optimal penetration).

PH Herve Houdebine prior to going to the blind. 460 Weatherby and a cut-barrelled shotgun. The cut-off shotgun is the recipe he got from JM Latrive, PH in Tanzania.
His leather jacket was in the backpack.
I'd have loved to have my Beretta every day 12 gauge.

IMO a bullet would just wheeze through the cat that could keep going, as a lead column would push and roll the cat anyway.
When in Alaska, the PH was using a drilling, as he experienced a couple of charges from brown bears and told me that the 12 gauge would stop and flat a brownie any time though temporarily.
After 12 gauge is a 728 calibre.
home made 12 g in Bosnia war




I notice the PH gentleman uses a bolt action rifle, therefore the need for the shortened S-by-S shotgun! (just a joke!).

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: NitroX]
      #233731 - 08/08/13 01:06 AM

Foot pounds of energy is what will stop a charge, I doubt the a 10ga, or 12ga shot column will have as much energy that a solid projectile will have. So my choice would be if it had to be a shot gun would be solid slugs in either a 10 or 12 ga. or a double rifle in 45 cal or larger with quick expanding soft points.
Bob

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: aromakr]
      #233733 - 08/08/13 01:37 AM

It is quite possible a load of buckshot at 10feet would stop the bear - however penetration would be VERY iffy, and a hardened & solid projectile - actually 12 bore would work.

I'd take a well loaded 12 bore over any rifle in a charging bear situation. By well loaded, that means hardened round balls at about 1,500fps to 2,000fps. A pump would be much better than any other action, for me.

Factory slugs are too soft in my opinion, thus round balls would rule.

Ed Huble's 3" 12 bore loads using a hardened 500gr. .58 slug in a sabot at about 2,000fps or 2,200fps would also be more than sufficient, from a rifle bore. YOu want straight line penetration, not a bone caused deflection due to no rotational stability from a smoothbore.

Problem with the shotgun with round balls, if smooth, you'd have to wait until the bear was much closer for the shot - of course, that would make it more interesting & a better story for 'the campfire'.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: NitroX]
      #233808 - 08/08/13 11:14 PM

I'd take a Winchester Model 12 in 12 gauge, improved cylinder choke with 26 in barrel, loaded with no. 4 buckshot. A burst of that full in the chest would keep him from getting to you and knocking the weapon out of your hands, and you'd have 5 rounds to finish him.

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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: Rolf]
      #233868 - 09/08/13 07:30 PM

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Gentlemen,

I would take a Benelli Super 90 M3 loaded alternating with buckshot and slugs.

In less than three seconds all 9 shots can be on their way, which makes up for a lot of missing caused by the shooter... :-)

Sidearm would be a S&W M29 .44 Magnum with 180grs JHP,
not to mention an Heckler&Koch MP5 on Full Auto (just dreaming)

And a light body armour vest would be a "nice to have", also two nice 100lbs pit bull terriers :-)

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Rolf




Using that, the Taxidermist is going to have one hell of a job on his/her hands for a full mount
come to think of it, any form of mount !!!, you might get a hatband out of it



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Re: Hypothetical Scenario Question ... [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #234080 - 12/08/13 09:57 AM

Either my Benelli Super Black Eagle loaded with 3-1/2 inch shells in the extended tube,

but wait - with the long barrel and the shims in the stock holding that thing is like swinging a broomstick around,

so maybe my old WInchester Model 12 that slam-fires like lightning.


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