500Nitro
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Nordmann
I hate t say this but complaining about a 2nd hand gun not having X or Y feature is pointless.
If you want those features, order a new bespoke gun or find a 2nd hand gun that has them.
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Huvius
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"a fathers advice to his son".
If a sportsman true you’d be Listen carefully to me. . .
Never, never let your gun Pointed be at anyone. That it may unloaded be Matters not the least to me.
When a hedge or fence you cross Though of time it cause a loss From your gun the cartridge take For the greater safety’s sake.
If twixt you and neighbouring gun Bird shall fly or beast may run Let this maxim ere be thine “Follow not across the line.”
Stops and beaters oft unseen Lurk behind some leafy screen. Calm and steady always be “Never shoot where you can’t see.”
You may kill or you may miss But at all times think this: “All the pheasants ever bred Won’t repay for one man dead.”
Keep your place and silent be; Game can hear, and game can see; Don’t be greedy, better spared Is a pheasant, than one shared.
This is beautiful! Have never read that. Thanks for sharing it.
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Huvius
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...complaining about a 2nd hand gun not having X or Y feature is pointless.
If you want those features, order a new bespoke gun or find a 2nd hand gun that has them.
I guess this is where there is something of a division between the higher price echelon buyers and the more "normal" buyers/collectors like myself. Most of the guns I have bought have something "wrong" with them. Either refinished (which if done in period does not bother me at all), rebarreled (which is perhaps unfortunate but again if done in period and for a good reason is OK), repairs to the wood or restock (guns don't get restocked for the hell of it so it is what it is), restored etc. Depending on the price, I can accept any of these things. After all, they can't all be as new and a little wear here and there is comforting when taking them out anyway. Call it character if you will. Now, if I WERE buying an H&H Royal, new or used, I probably would like to have all of the "bells and whistles" just because that is what fits in my mind's eye of what a Royal is and as Normann says it doesn't hurt in resale. I suspect, right or wrong, that most buyers of the high grade Hollands, Purdeys, Rigbys, Westleys, etc. are under no pressure to buy a gun and can wait for the "right" one to come up for sale. Right in either condition or provenance. Whereas the middle level buyer has to deal with striking while the iron is hot and his finances and tastes come into line. That is, IMO, why so many of these high priced guns languish on the market.
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500Nitro
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Huvius
I think you are spot on.
High priced guns languish - maybe because they are too high priced and a more realistic figure would sell them. I had that said to me today by a buyer in the US re what some of the guns over there are priced at.
High end buyers - I have said this before and someone on here agreed - above $50,000, the buyer either like it or doesn't and as you say, can afford to wait around for one.
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Nordmann
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"There is an ass for every saddle and a hat for every head" Well almost!
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Yochanan
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I would just like to explain my position on the subject of bolted safeties.
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I would request it, or desire it, not particularly because I am a big fan of them, as NitroX perfectly points out there is no need for a safety on a safety, but because when you come to sell a double rifle its a bit like selling a car. All the extras count, and if something is not included then there is always a cause for discussion which usually ends with a reduction of price. One thing is for sure, I have never been offered more for a rifle because it does not have a bolted safety.
Your comments sounds what I have been thinking since you pop up in this forum; you are mostly salesman and after that some kind of enthusiast. And then a hunter, maybe.
My thoughts as well.
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Nordmann
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Two Swedes have been hunting in the forest and managed to shoot a deer. They are struggling to drag the dead animal through the woods back towards their Volvo, when they come across a Finn.
The Finn says to them: "Wow, that's a great trophy! However, if I may say so, you shouldn't be dragging that deer by its hind legs like that as it's going against the direction of fur so creating a lot of friction. If you drag it from its front legs, you will get much less friction and will find it much easier!"
The Swedes thank the clever Finn for his advice. After 30 minutes of dragging the deer by its front legs, one of the Swedes says to the other: "That was really great advice from that Finnish guy. It is indeed much easier that way!". To which the other replies: "I agree, but the problem is we are getting further and further away from our Volvo!"
I guess Swedes and Finns agree on most things!
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NitroX
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Saw this post opened by someone. Good looking gun posted at the beginning, then that idiot James Etherington-Thorpe, aka "Nordmann" rabbiting on trying to get attention again. Why I didn't ban him a long time before I don't know. But its not bad, that when people search for him, they find out what an arrogant arse he is, what his character is and isn't, when thinking of dealing with him. Had a look a day or two ago at a site where he lists his CV, and in the recommendations from others section, zero, zero, zero, repeated endlessly. No references or recommendations from other users.
Enjoy the beginning of the thread again instead please.
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Ash
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Back to discussing the rifle, here's an amateur question for ya's: Wouldnt having it all curly grained through the wrist make it prone to cracking? Or is that actually straight enough?
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NitroX
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Talking about the guns so much better than the other guff. 
Well spotted. I definitely think so. Maybe our expert gunmakers can comment or confirm. I think it is a terrible piece of wood for a .470. I would never choose it.
I reopened this thread to use the photos for a NE facebook series of pretty picture posts. Scheduled to come up are these images:

Shows lots of curly gnurly grain throughout the pistol grip or wrist. Should have some nice straight flowing grain here IMO.


But the area has been strengthened with extended tang right into the comb and an extension of the trigger guard metal to the grip cap.
BTW what is the correct name for this metal extension ie the trigger guard to grip cap metal? I have a mental blank on it. I assume the top metal is called an extended tang?
I would like to use these images to explain some terms so getting them perfect from the beginning would be a good idea.
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NitroX
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I think the buttstock is still weak in the area ahead of the cheekpiece and behind the pistol grip irrespective of the metal work.
Any comments on that as well?
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Mike_Bailey
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When I reopened this thread that is THE first thing I thought, that stock blank doesn´t look right !! regards p.s. I still can´t believe anyone would order a DG rifle with a bolted safety ??
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NitroX
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The walnut looks better suited for a piano to me, than a guns stock.
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Edited by NitroX (15/10/14 12:47 AM)
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