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bwanakim
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Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb
#232649 - 18/07/13 09:32 AM

Can a gun with a top strap over the comb (presently cast off) be bent, if not to the left, at least straight? I have heard it cannot be done, because of the strap being inletted into the stock, but I'm wondering why the bending cannot be done in two parts, first bending the strap, then the stock to match. This is not an academic question, I have a Holland Royal Paradox that is cast off, and I'm left handed. I shoot several guns with zero cast quite well, and was hoping I might be able to bend this straight without the necessity and cost of restocking. Any ideas or names of gunsmiths who might do this would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: bwanakim]
#232680 - 19/07/13 05:32 AM

That sort of thing could be done, but it certainly would not be cheap, for, as you indicated, the stock would have to be bent first of all, and finally the tang to fit the inletting, which would not be a simple or inexpensive proposition. The action & tang should be annealed first too, normal practice prior to re-color case hardening, because that tang, with its outer surface case hardened, very well may break or crack during bending, if not annealed first. Even for the most skilled and experienced, this job would be a challenge, but I wouldn't say it can't be done. If one is willing to pay enough money, most anything can be done.

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bwanakim
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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: doubleriflejack]
#232687 - 19/07/13 09:24 AM

Thanks for your input. A new butt stock, including wood, is at least 5K, plus it will be a cost that would most likely not be recoverable when the gun is sold. I sunk about that in a 500/465 left hand stock, then sold it with the right handed stock, kept the left handed, but with no use for it! No chance of using this existing stock on the Royal Paradox as the 465 was a No.2. If there is someone who might like to discuss this job, please send a PM.

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500Nitro
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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: bwanakim]
#232688 - 19/07/13 11:38 AM

If you were in Aus I could tell you who to go to for an idea or a new stock. Not sure it would be 5K but getting up there
and he's as good as any London stocker.

Edited by 500Nitro (19/07/13 11:39 AM)

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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: bwanakim]
#232691 - 19/07/13 01:44 PM

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Can a gun with a top strap over the comb (presently cast off) be bent, if not to the left, at least straight? I have heard it cannot be done, because of the strap being inletted into the stock, but I'm wondering why the bending cannot be done in two parts, first bending the strap, then the stock to match.

The top strap, due to the bend, ie: offcast, will be longer if bent back straight. The difference will be quite mimimal and might, just might be taken care of with very careful inletting, or shortening a few thousandths on the skinny part and high temp silver or welding it back together. Re-inletting might be the best method. I'm sure it could be done but finding someone to do it might be the problem.

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500Nitro
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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: DarylS]
#232693 - 19/07/13 02:22 PM

Daryl

Pretty sure that cutting it to shorten it as
you said is the way it is done.

And then re engraved.

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470evans
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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: 500Nitro]
#232736 - 21/07/13 01:57 AM

Hey Kim,

Hope you are well.

Ahh, the old problem problem of a lefty trying to work with a top strap Holland. On my Paradox I had it restocked but used a second tier guy to do it and the quality wasn't there, I wasted 6k and should have used Paul Hodgins and had it done right the first time. On my 500/450 Royal I decided to shoot it as is.

Check out my Jeffery 400 that Paul restocked, he did a beautiful job.

Unfortunately, I haven't found a good solution to this problem.

Good Luck.

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bwanakim
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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: 470evans]
#232796 - 22/07/13 06:40 AM

I think I'll just use it as a double rifle and leave well enough alone. Paul Hodgins would be the guy all right, but out of range price wise for me right now. I saw 470 Evans' Jeffrey on his site--beautiful work!

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ACTIONER
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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: bwanakim]
#233762 - 08/08/13 07:19 AM

I served my appentership with Hollands and am fully aware of the process involved in bending the top strap iron. The action when received from the machine shop has a stub strap that allows for all the other actioning to take place leaving the top strap to be welded on thereafter. it is at this point of welding that I would be careful in bending as it would be slightly weaker at this point due to the weld line. I would prefer to re work the strap whilst cherry red in a forge the file the last adjustments there after. This however risks affecting the engraving. Plus you would have to have the action re hardened due to possible heat transfer through the action body.

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tinker
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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: ACTIONER]
#233770 - 08/08/13 08:39 AM

Actioner welcome to NitroExpress and thanks for your comment on this topic!

Cheers
Tinker

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Re: Bending a stock with a top strap over the comb [Re: tinker]
#233771 - 08/08/13 08:57 AM

Thanks. Glad I could shed some light on the subject

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