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500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido
#231915 - 01/07/13 09:11 AM

Signor Marco Rigido of New System Arms in Italy just sent me these pictures of his latest custom rifle, a Mauser in 500 Jeffrey. From his e-mail:

Quote [Dear Mr. Mehul Kamdar

I present my last rifle, mod. luxury safari in cal. 500 Jeffery.

Stock is in walnut, engravings by the masster Diego Bonsi.] End Quote.

Happy viewing, and, if you have any questions / comments, I shall be happy to communicate with him and get his response.

Images at

this link. I am not able to post them for some reason.

Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: mehulkamdar]
#231944 - 01/07/13 08:49 PM

That rifle is a thing of beauty. I'm in love.

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: aam]
#231960 - 02/07/13 03:12 AM

I am not ! A muzzle break ! Help !!!

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: grandveneur]
#231964 - 02/07/13 04:22 AM

muzzle break is for girly's

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: lancaster]
#231967 - 02/07/13 05:34 AM

Annoying Mehulkamdar again: I am certainly not amused! Aside from that awful, useless muzzle brake, this gun again shows that Signore Rigido is more an engineer than a good gunsmith IMHO. Everything looks quite "squarish" to me: The floorplate, why didn't he use the rounded Rigby style plate as offered by Mauser and others. The exaggerated double square bridge, higher and so more clumsy looking than the Mauser original ones, as these are engraved on top they are apparently not intended for scope mounting. The stock side panels at the action area are too flat for my tastes too. The rear sight island appears to me to be simply soldered on, as a integral or sleeve mounted one would by nature lead to more gentle curves here. That burly stock wood may look stunning, but it has no place on a dgr, subject to heavy recoil and perhaps use under harsh condition. Such a rifle may have all amounts of burl wood in the buttstock, but the grain must run reasonably straight through hand and foreend. I hope that master has at least hidden a reinforcing steel or fiberglass rod inside the most vulnerable hand area. Otherwise the burly wood with fibers running in all directions is very prone to breaking here. The Italian style engraving is nice, but unable to hide the design defects of the basic rifle underneath.

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: kuduae]
#231968 - 02/07/13 05:41 AM

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Aside from that awful, useless muzzle brake, this gun again shows that Signore Rigido is more an engineer than a good gunsmith IMHO. .... The Italian style engraving is nice, but unable to hide the design defects of the basic rifle underneath.

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: xausa]
#231980 - 02/07/13 09:48 AM

I would be happy to have it in my mitt when mbogo comes running.

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: gryphon]
#231987 - 02/07/13 05:41 PM

Correct pattern designation must be " The BIG Ugly "

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: justcurious]
#231992 - 02/07/13 08:04 PM

A style and function debate.

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: NitroX]
#232022 - 03/07/13 08:25 AM

mehul..i miss carlo casartelli....paul

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: pjaln]
#232044 - 03/07/13 06:32 PM

Not my cup of tea and I did a double take on the "brake" at the muzzle, still, whatever floats your boat, best, Mike

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: kuduae]
#232061 - 04/07/13 12:58 AM

kuduae,

You don't annoy me - comedy is meant to be laughed at.

I would definitely entrust my support to someone whose talents involve designs for arms that all of NATO's armies rely upon. A man who has Krauss-Maffei and OTO Melara's confidence has mine too.

Good hunting!

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Edited by mehulkamdar (04/07/13 01:07 AM)

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: mehulkamdar]
#232062 - 04/07/13 01:00 AM

I have the following e-mail from Signor Marco Rigido:

Quote [
Dear Mr. Mehulkamdar.
criticism of Mr.. Lancaster do not take this one that the rifle is built on a design of the hunter and
1 the muzzle brake is useful so that the hunter wants a gentle recoil.
2 the bottom charger is squared because the action is short
3 engraved at the request of the hunter.
4 in stock all there are 3 anchor points on steel

the rifle has proven to work well and be accurate.
if Mr. Lancaster ficult want a fact of its design, it shall build dierto your order.

An engineer must want to build as the hunter, not to make copies of previous rifles.

Thanks

Marco Rigido] End Quote.

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: mehulkamdar]
#232071 - 04/07/13 01:58 AM

Mehulkamdar

Thank you for the photos. It would be good to have a full length shot of the rifle, without the brake, to get a sense of the lines. I think the whole may be more pleasing than the parts.

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: mckinney]
#232077 - 04/07/13 05:04 AM

Here is one picture with a brake. IMO the rifle looks very heavy and awkward, one big detail making that appearance is that very sharp angle behind the bolt handle. But it doesn´t mean the rifle is a poor build, maybe the owner just likes old Range Rovers too....

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: Igorrock]
#232084 - 04/07/13 08:24 AM

this gun is in actuality subdued compared to whats on his site,!!! ...paul

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: Igorrock]
#232099 - 04/07/13 05:46 PM

I also like old Range Rovers (well, Land Rovers), but prefer original Oberndorf Mausers, pre-war Ribgys, etc. like most of the people on the board. Those old land rovers by the way are getting hard to find and expensive.

I agree that the .500 jeffery looks a little chunky and a lot of it is the sharp angle behind the bolt. The extended magazine box doesn't help either. Still I think it's a pretty decent looking rifle.

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: mckinney]
#232129 - 05/07/13 01:32 AM

This is SAKO 85 in same caliber:

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: Igorrock]
#232139 - 05/07/13 07:16 AM

First: I am known here as kuduae. Lancaster is a German too, but a different person.
Further: I never doubted Signore Rigido is a very capable engineer when it comes to military equipment. I am not aware of Krauss-Maffai or OTO Melara ever producing any hunting arms. Instead, they are known makers of tanks and artillery. Some of the guns shown on signore Rigido's website seem to be offspins of work done for the defense industry. Being a capable engineer for such companies is not an advantage when it comes to sporting guns. Engineers being the decision makers in larger gunmaking companies often leads to problems, see the contraptions offered by Blaser f.i. An engineer by his education and training thinks in terms of straight lines, flat surfaces, defined angles and curves. As I learned the hard way during my own gunmaking efforts, an elegant sporting arm is more often featuring irregular curves and lines that are beyond the calculating abilities of any engineer. Sculpting a gunstock is more an art than a science. Differences of merely a millimeter here or there can make or break a design.
I am fully aware that Signore Rigido has reinforced the stock of this .500 Jeffery against recoil as two crossbolts are visible in the photos and there may be another recoil lug hidden inside the foreend. As the stock receives a more or less straight load on firing, it will not break or split from use on a range. This is not my point, but the fancy figured wood in the pistol grip area. When I studied forestry science at the university many years ago I had to learn some things about wood. Almost all woods, walnut included, has only a fraction, less than 10%, of strength across the grain than with the fibers. Anyone who once splitted fire wood knows this. As there is pretty fancy or wild figure in the weak pistol grip area / the small of this stock, wood fibers running in all directions inside, the buttstock is likely to break clear off when subjected to a sideways or up-down load or shock. Such stresses quite often happen in big game hunting due to a fall or stumbling. I have seen enough guns with fancy wood damaged this way .

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: pjaln]
#232183 - 07/07/13 05:50 AM

Paul,

This is OT but if all goes well, I'm going to be moving to Salem HN next year. Hope to meet you soon, my friend. I am tensed up about bringing my guns over - it isn't going to be easy coming through NJ and NY, but I guess I'll have to figure a way out. Or, I'll just get a dealer to do an FFL transfer to a dealer in NH . . .

Let's talk sometime when you're free.

Best wishes and good hunting, my friend!

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: kuduae]
#232194 - 07/07/13 08:56 PM

Quote:

Annoying Mehulkamdar again: I am certainly not amused! Aside from that awful, useless muzzle brake, this gun again shows that Signore Rigido is more an engineer than a good gunsmith IMHO. Everything looks quite "squarish" to me: The floorplate, why didn't he use the rounded Rigby style plate as offered by Mauser and others. The exaggerated double square bridge, higher and so more clumsy looking than the Mauser original ones, as these are engraved on top they are apparently not intended for scope mounting. The stock side panels at the action area are too flat for my tastes too. The rear sight island appears to me to be simply soldered on, as a integral or sleeve mounted one would by nature lead to more gentle curves here. That burly stock wood may look stunning, but it has no place on a dgr, subject to heavy recoil and perhaps use under harsh condition. Such a rifle may have all amounts of burl wood in the buttstock, but the grain must run reasonably straight through hand and foreend. I hope that master has at least hidden a reinforcing steel or fiberglass rod inside the most vulnerable hand area. Otherwise the burly wood with fibers running in all directions is very prone to breaking here. The Italian style engraving is nice, but unable to hide the design defects of the basic rifle underneath.

you like rifles a certain way he likes rifles a certain way its as simple as that if you dont like it but there is no need to basically call everything shit just because you dont like it

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: grantc]
#232748 - 21/07/13 09:56 AM

Kuduae is like an ever-complaining old woman. He can't stay without whining and wheezing. Always amusing, though. The second funniest posts here outside the Humor section.

Entertainment is always welcome, and I enjoy reading his criticism, every bit as much as I enjoy occasionally watching "The Golden Girls."

Good hunting!

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Re: 500 Jeffrey rifle built by Signor Marco Rigido [Re: grantc]
#232751 - 21/07/13 10:10 AM

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you like rifles a certain way he likes rifles a certain way its as simple as that if you dont like it but there is no need to basically call everything shit just because you dont like it

I agree with that!

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