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DORLEAC
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Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion
      #229884 - 10/05/13 12:49 AM

For your interest, an interesting single shot .22lr conversion made by Walther Röll on a 1904 build Original Mauser Kurz action, fitted with a very rare 1923 patent safety.
A provision for a ZF41 scope is machined in the rear (optimistic) sight support and a double set trigger has been fitted to replace the earlier single stage one.
Even if the stock is original and numbered to the rifle, its pattern is different of all the usual K stocks we have encountered.
That rifle function flawlessly and shoots accurately.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: DORLEAC]
      #229885 - 10/05/13 01:53 AM

Joel: Fascinating rifle, thanks for the photos. Any idea of when Röll built this rifle? Did he mark his name on it somewhere?

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: dons]
      #229886 - 10/05/13 02:50 AM

Walther Röll was the head of the Mauser Obendorf Sporting Arms Department from 1932 to 1946. After war he made his own business 1946-1965. He made up and repaired Mauser Sportting rifles and used Mauser factorys remaining inventory and leftover parts.

His own markings ("WR" or "W Röll Obendorf") could find near the caliber markings or underside of the barrel.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: DORLEAC]
      #229887 - 10/05/13 02:53 AM

Very interesting and a lot of room for speculation.

There is no loading tray to be seen. A piece of wood as on many Wehrmann Gewehr ?

Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: justcurious]
      #229888 - 10/05/13 03:21 AM

The loading tray would mount on the left of the sight base?

Very interesting especially since the Mauser .22 rifles were quite common and this modified Kurz more or less accomplishes the same goal.
Other than the bolt face being faced off and the extractor modification, there looks to be no other alterations to the action.
What does the firing pin look like? Is the chamber offset to allow the original pin to be used?

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: Huvius]
      #229892 - 10/05/13 04:36 AM

Thanks to all for your interest.
W. Röll made that rifle for a French officer circa 1946/47.
The 2nd DB of Leclerc (1) occupied Oberndorf first before French put their own administration at head of the works, Walther Röll and Walther Gehmann choosing freely to work with the new occupying forces.
During that period many sporters were made for French officers, using disparate parts in stock, and amazingly the firm accounts department took great care to invoice every rifle ordered by Frenchmen for their own use !
That one use a kurz system modified with what seem a sleeved heavy barrel, the new bolt head being modified with a separate off-centered light firing pin, stroked by the shortened original one.
No other modification were made on that action.
When I could get some time left I will try to return with more photos after full dismantling…but be patient because I'm overflowed by work !

(1) for info, Marechal Leclerc grandson is one of my best friends.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: DORLEAC]
      #229918 - 10/05/13 07:18 PM

The highlight of that rifle is the safety.
Would like to learn more of it´s function and constructive details .
Reminds me somewhat to the safety to be found on the Brno M21 (though on the left side).

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: justcurious]
      #229926 - 10/05/13 11:48 PM

Thanks for sharing this unikum. Mauser still keeps fascinate with their Ingenuity of the past.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: rigbymauser]
      #229933 - 11/05/13 09:48 AM

Very nice rifle and always nice to learn new information about the mother of all bolt actions rifle manufactureres.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: deepwoods]
      #229936 - 11/05/13 10:19 AM

Fascinating.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: tophet1]
      #229951 - 12/05/13 12:30 AM

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Fascinating.



Indeed. I wish we could see it with the original scope mounted. Wouldn't it be neat if he had rigged a 22LR magazine to feed through a block inside the Kurtz action? (sorry, my mind wonders at the possibilities when I see something like this!)

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: A10ACN]
      #229961 - 12/05/13 10:44 AM

Very nice rifle, thanks for sharing. I'm with Justcurious, I would love to see the safety in greater detail. Thanks again, Mark

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: MarkPoley]
      #229966 - 12/05/13 04:22 PM

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I would love to see the safety in greater detail.

It looks very same as some BRNO mod. 21 and 22 used to have

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: Igorrock]
      #229971 - 12/05/13 08:29 PM

Thanks for your comments.
I have tried to make some photos to show details.
As usually with Walther Röll Mauser work, gunsmithing, while perfectly functional, is slightly crude.

Here is view of the firing pin assembly with shortened front



and a photo of the rimfire conversion of the bolt head



The barrel is a Mauser 22lr taken from a 350B, MOD.45 or the like, and sleeved in the front portion of the 8x51K original one. The wood loading tray in the magazine is missing.





The tangent rear sight is dovetailed in the ZF41 scope mount band soldered support



Now are photos that illustrate the rare 1923 patent low safety.

Components



Underside



Safety ON (locked)



Safety OFF (unlocked)



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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: DORLEAC]
      #229976 - 12/05/13 10:05 PM

Thanks for the detailed (and perfect) pics.

That safety would be a nice ad to the rifles of your current production.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: justcurious]
      #229979 - 12/05/13 11:54 PM

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That safety would be a nice ad to the rifles of your current production.

A good business idea for those who make custom parts to m98 Mauser. I like this more that Win 70 modell.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: Igorrock]
      #231007 - 09/06/13 09:49 AM

Quote:

Quote:

That safety would be a nice ad to the rifles of your current production.

A good business idea for those who make custom parts to m98 Mauser. I like this more that Win 70 modell.



Just make it down to fire and up for safe - and put it on the left side...

The only way to improve that would bw a tang safety.

I have always found the winchester style 3pos awkward to use.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: Wes350]
      #231386 - 20/06/13 11:46 PM

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Even if the stock is original and numbered to the rifle, its pattern is different of all the usual K stocks we have encountered.


As Walter Roell converted the rifle post-WW2, he made the stock too. Habitually he numbered the new stock to the action, as he had done as the head of the Mauser sporing rifle department up to 1945. I will soon post a late, 1960, W.Roell type B rifle, matching "Mauser" serial numbers 128141.

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Re: Mauser Kurz Walther Röll .22 rimfire conversion [Re: kuduae]
      #231854 - 29/06/13 01:04 PM

Thank You for posting detailed photos of the safety. I also never cared for the Winchester style safety on a Mauser. I have a G33-40 receiver and 7mm barrel blank that I was saving for a .275 Rigby build in Rigby style. I was planning a tang safety but this one is very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Mark Poley

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