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NitroX
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Re: 45-70 Marlin for Cape Buffalo? [Re: slammer6delta]
#23366 - 04/01/05 04:31 AM

"slammer" - PM being sent to you.

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Re: 45-70 Marlin for Cape Buffalo? [Re: shakari]
#23368 - 04/01/05 04:47 AM

In reply to:

Originally posted by Shakari:

"...so as far as I'm concerned, the client can use a catapult if he wants so, just as long as he accepts that (with this particular calibre) I'll whack the animal as well if it stays on it's feet."

Shakari, is that your policy only when someone is using an illegal caliber, or in all cases?

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Re: 45-70 Marlin for Cape Buffalo? [Re: DUGABOY1]
#23376 - 04/01/05 05:06 AM

I might as well jump in. The marlin is NOT strong enough for really HOT 45/70 loads, the ruger #1 is, but it's a single which rules it out for DG, period. Just for the record, The 45/70 can be loaded with ease to drive a 400 grain woodleigh bullet to OVER 2150 fps - I have done it with my Ruger #1. That will EQUAL the much praised 450/400. So, this discussion is really about the Marlin and not the 45/70.

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Re: 45-70 Marlin for Cape Buffalo? [Re: shakari]
#23384 - 04/01/05 05:21 AM

Shikari,

Thank you for your post. When I asked my question, that is the answer I was looking for. It was kind of you to post it.

Although up thread the answer was posted in bits and piece. Amongst all the huffing and puffing it was hard to sort out. Especially when the manner it which is presented tends raise your own blood pressure.

There is an old saying "The only dumb question, is the one you don't ask". I quess this thread proves that wrong. I would have been better off never asking a question. Sorry.

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Re: 45-70 Marlin for Cape Buffalo? [Re: bonanza]
#23388 - 04/01/05 05:31 AM

In reply to:

The 45/70 can be loaded with ease to drive a 400 grain woodleigh bullet to OVER 2150 fps - I have done it with my Ruger #1. That will EQUAL the much praised 450/400.

Bonaza

But the.450/.400 is a .411 (or .408) calibre rifle while the .45/70 is a .458.

You need to look at equivalent sectional densities to make the comparison which at a guess would be closer to 480 - 500 grain projectile in a .458 (to a .411 400 gr).

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A really good buffalo recipe [Re: NitroX]
#23394 - 04/01/05 05:41 AM

Cape Buffalo can be substituted for water buffalo and ostriche for emu.

But cutting any buffalo into 180 gm pieces is going to take a while.

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Buffalo fillet wrapped with emu proscuitto, served with enoki mushrooms, caramelised plantain bananas, sweet potato mash and buffalo glaze

Maincourse
160/180gm x 4 Buffalo Fillet each trimmed
4 x 20gm Emu proscuitto
Olive oil
Salt and pepper

Method

* Cut Buffalo in 180gm pieces and wrap emu procuitto around and seal off seasoned buffalo filet and cook to perfection in oven ready to be served.

Sweet Potato Mash
2 Medium size sweet potatoes
Olive oil
40ml Double cream
Salt, pepper

Method

* Wash sweet potato, leave skin on and place on tray and steam for 20 to 25 minutes.
* Peel skin off and dice into cubes and dry in oven with wooden spoon until smooth texture.

Plantain Bananas
3 Plantain Bananas
Demara Sugar

Method

* Peel and slice diagonally in hot pan add demara sugar and a touch of water, reduce slightly, add banana and caramelise.

Enoki Mushrooms
2 punnets 150gm Enoki mushroom
Olive oil
1 bunch Bok choy

Method

* Blanch and sautee bok choy leaf.
* Cut ends of mushrooms then sautee in hot pan with olive oil until golden brown, season and serve.

Buffalo Glaze
0.5 Ltr Buffalo Stock
1 Onion
20ml Oil
½ Garlic Clove
2 Tomatoes diced
4 twigs Lemon Thyme
150ml Red wine
Salt, pepper

Method

* Sautee off chopped onion and garlic, add diced tomato and chopped thyme, reduce on steady heat, deglaze with red wine and reduce reduction to ¼.
* Add your stock and reduce again until right consistency is reached.
* Salt and pepper for taste, strain through cloth and monte butter under just before serving sauce.

Buffalo recipe

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Re: 45-70 Marlin for Cape Buffalo? [Re: DoubleD]
#23399 - 04/01/05 06:05 AM

.500 grains,

We do expect clients to sign the indemnity but it's not my policy (or company policy) to go round shooting other people's animals. We ask the client to sign the indemnity (which is a legal requirement in most countries) and then we immediatly have a long discussion about back up shots, dangerous events, charges etc etc. 99.9% of the time I don't shoot my rifle at all when on safari (except on the range) and that's the way I like it. But just occasionally a client (often an inexperienced one) will ask me to put in a back up shot if I think it's necessary.......and I don't have a problem with that. This is most common on their first ever Buffalo.

Other factors can come into play, such as; what species are we shooting at, and where does the shot take place. For example if it's an Elephant and right on th border of our concession and (for example) close to a village or a photographic area or camp, or even close to an international border, I might be more inclined to put in a back up shot for the obvious reason......BUT I don't like doing it.

A serious charge from close range however is a different matter.............and I can usually get a shot off pretty quickly if I have to.

As with most things in Africa, one should never say never and never say always.

On the subject of charges, Ganyana gave me a tip last year for unwounded charging Elephants.......he suggested I put a bullet through the outside of the ear........ Of course, these things don't happen every day, but it works a treat.

Double D

I agree with you, there's no such thing as a stupid question and I'm happy to help anyone out where I can........and an apology is certainly not necessary.

One of the problems with African hunting is that so many of us, myself included (I guess) suffer from occasional bouts of thinking we actually know it all.

....... I've been hunting in Africa for 25 years and a PH & Outfitter for 15 years and I'm only now realising how much more there is to learn.

Africa's a hell of a big place and what may be true here and now may not be true a few miles down the road or tomorrow.

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Edited by shakari (04/01/05 06:08 AM)

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Re: 45-70 Marlin for Cape Buffalo? [Re: shakari]
#23401 - 04/01/05 06:10 AM

Shakari,

I was checking out your web site, Looks like the PAC elephant hunt is a good value. I really don't want to being home a trophy. Comments, thoughts for someone who has never been on safari. BTW I have a .470 double.

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Re: 45-70 Marlin for Cape Buffalo? [Re: bonanza]
#23405 - 04/01/05 06:43 AM

Bonanza,

Hope you liked the site........The PAC Elephant has gone up a bit since last year, (the increase was the lease holders and not ours!) but the price is still pretty good if you're happy not to have the trophies..........however, it's tougher hunting than the other parts of Africa we operate in.

My favourite county to hunt in is Tanzania where we've just expanded our operation from one area in the Selous and another in Masailand to four in Selous and two in Masailand. Hunting there is simply out of this world and a year or two ago we filmed a herd of over 1000 Buff.....it was quite simply breathtaking. Tanzania isn't the cheapest option, but I reckon it's the very best.......just be cautious about which area you hunt as some are better than others.

Botswana is another good option for Elephant. Usually the trophy fee is on a sliding scale dependant on tusk size, but the late season hunts we have are a fixed trophy fee of US$5000 whatever the size. We have two left, but they'll sell out at the convention if not before.

............470 double huh. Great calibre......sounds to me like it might need a bit of excercise on something big and ugly! If you feel an Elephant hunt might be too adventurous for your first safari, maybe you should consider a Buff hunt. Tanzania is one of the very few countries that allows 2 Buff & plains game on a 7 day licence.

I try not to sell on the forum as I feel it abuses John's wonderful hospitality, also I don't believe in the hard sell, but if you would like any further info please feel free to send me an e-mail.

Incidentally, LOVE the signature!!!

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Edited by shakari (04/01/05 06:45 AM)

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