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450 Nitro #2 3 & 1/2" ejection issue
      #226934 - 13/03/13 03:07 AM

Hello, I tried this post in the single shot thread and got several responses that said "send it back to the maker". While appreciated, I believe some careful home gunsmithing can cure the problem. Any advice most appreciated. Thanks.


I have a 1976 Ruger No. 1 that was built as a 458 Winchester. SSK converted it to 450 Nitro #2 3&1/2".

I bought the rifle from a man who bought a large collection of Ruger big bores. He had never fired it. Along with the rifle came 50 Jamison cases, a new set of C&H dies and 30 odd Barnes originals in 600 gr.

Only having a 25 yard indoor range here where we winter, I made up some "gallery loads" with a Lg pistol primer 10 gr of TrailBoss, BP filler, a TC bore butter wad and a .457 roundball rolled in Lee Alox.

Put a Unertl Hawk from my collection on it and took it to the range and shot 20, off hand, at 2" squares @25 yards. Never missed and there was no fouling or leading. I'm guessing it's about like a 44 cap and ball revolver in power.

Every shell I dropped in fired without a hitch and every one went "pling" out the breech when the lever was dropped.

Now the issue. After shooting it, I dropped a fired empty in it and closed the breech. When I dropped the lever the case stayed in although the ejector activated. After some messing about, I found that the ejector was right next to but not under the rim if you just closed the rifle. If you dry or live fired it, the ejector was jarred enough to slip behind the rim and "pling" out they came.

The ejector is probably the 458 one with the hook modified to fit the 450. I also noted both the front and back of the ejector arm showed signs of stoning. As the ejector is pushed into place by the roller on the breechblock, I suspect the arm's front to back dimension is a skosh small and/or the case dimensions may vary from what SSK used when they converted it.

I bought two new 416 Rigby ejectors as they were the largest I could find for sale. I installed one and it works just fine when the rifle is empty. It will not go around that huge rim if a cartridge is in the chamber. Its front side of the hook is quite flat and I suspect it need some beveling to allow it to go around the case. (It will go if you ease the breech up while pushing the ejector to the left with a very thin punch)

Before I start messing about with this, I wonder if any of you have been down the same road and could offer some advice ?
While the ejectors are inexpensive, they are hard to find as Ruger won't sell you anything direct.

Yes I am a sucker for all No.1s with exceptional wood. Pretty lady is she not ?







Edited by CptCurl (13/03/13 09:35 PM)


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Ruger_450
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Re: 450 Nitro #2 3 & 1/2" ejection issue [Re: Ruger_450]
      #227079 - 16/03/13 01:00 PM

Okay, figgered it out. Started with a fresh 416 rigby ejector and stoned it until it worked exactly like the 458 (modified) that came with the rifle.

Turns out the real problem is not the rim DIAMETER but the rim THICKNESS.

There appears to be no factory chambering in a No. 1 where the rim is a thick as the 450 Nitro #2 3 & 1/2". So the Ruger is set up to push the ejector far enough forward to engage any factory chambered rimless or rimmed cartridge. The ejector cut in the barrel is deep enough, as after the roller pushes the ejector up next to the rim (as far as it can) you can push ejector "home" with a skinny punch.

Therefore the REAL problem is the front to rear dimension of the ejector arm, as the roller cannot push it far enough forward.

If I were home with all my tools, I would drill and tap the roller side of the arm and put in a small allen screw. I'd adjust that until roller seated the ejector "home" and red locktite it in place.

For now, I have backed the ejector tension screw all the way out, so that the load/unload is like a traditional Winchester High Wall. You push the cartridge in with your thumb and it pushes the ejector (which is now just an extractor) home. When you drop the block, the "extractor" pulls the case out about 3/4" which allows you to dump it or hook it out with a fingernail.

Welcome back to 1885 !


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Re: 450 Nitro #2 3 & 1/2" ejection issue [Re: Ruger_450]
      #227290 - 20/03/13 10:02 PM

Congrats on figuring out the problem. Sounds like a dab of weld on the front of the extractor arm and then a stone job would be the final solution.

On the other hand, I don't mind the function of an 1885 and may prefer it to the Ruger "snap and click".

Have fun,

Curl

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