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Would be nice to have.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/rifles/auction-567316638.htm
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500Nitro
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Agree.
What do you reckon of the price ?
Not too sure I like Picture No 5 of the sights, looks like rust but could be dried oil.
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eagle27
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A dealer here is advertising three Oberndorf Type B Mausers in EXC condition for prices between $2500 and $3000 (9x57, 8x60 and 9.3x62)so the auction pricing is probably pretty good.
If one could get a good supply of cases it would be a nice original rifle to play around with using cast bullets and 350-400gr jacketed. If I didn't already have one I would be in the running.
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for 1500 new zealand $$$ its a steal and the bargain of the year
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500Nitro
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Why do you say "for 1500 new zealand $$$ its a steal and the bargain of the year"
It says starting price $3000 ??????????
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I am sorry, must have been blind and you are right
3000$ is a good price too
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500Nitro
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Yes, I thought it was as well, for a refinished gun that looks on the outside OK.
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Is that 3000$ price in local currency (in NZD) ?
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500Nitro
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Yes.
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I saw an Oberndorf Mauser '06 locally at the last gun show. BU proofs, octagon to round barrel taper with a full rib and tangent rear sight. Asking price was $2500.00 USD. I couldn't say if that was a good price or not. Looked all original.
Edited to add Type B.
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I would say $2500. for an '06 model B all original in decent condition is a good price. Usually if asking under 3k here in the U.S, the rifle has issues. Many I see for sale online have serious issues and the people selling them either don't know they have been modified or "restored" or misrepresent the fact. I am very cautious of "restored" or "refinished" rifles being offered for sale such as the 10.75X68 in NZ. I personally tend to stay away from "refinished" or "freshened up" rifles.
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Well Deepwoods.
Generally I would say if the entire is original, but refinished with the correct finish of the age from it was build then 99,99% of the gun is still there. To disregard a rare and attractive gun, just because a screw looks wrong or has been replaced becomes just too queer imho. Have the gun been rebarreled,restocked, then it should dis regarded as a collectors gun. Has the original barrel been shot out, new sight been installed and the metal been saltblued and the stock been altered to a shape that are plane wrong then ofcouse that too retract from any kind of collector's interest.
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that is the major difference between the US and the rest of the world.
The US love everything original whereas - say the UK, guns are / were sent for cleaning, refinishing, repair at the end of the season.
it is just a clash of two markets, and it was very interesting when the US really started buying English type guns many years ago.
Nothing wrong with either view IMHO.
NZ has some superb - ex Purdey for one - workers who's work is second to none.
Subject to the bore being OK, I was looking at that as a good shooting gun.
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Regarding your comments Rigbymauser, I would not turn away a type A such as the 10.75 in NZ if I had the opportunity to inspect the rifle prior to buying or had the oppotunity to return the rifle if the refinishing was not done in the period correct method for that rifle. That is assuming paying fair market value. If your paying well below fair market value and there is no return policy then it's a gamble. That rifle if refinished properly and matching is a bargain at $3000 NZ ($2474 US dollars). I only say this in having several bad experiences-one last year where a Mauser (type A 9.3X62mm 1922 mfgd.) "all matching" "professionally refinished slow rust blued" and "professionally oil refinished stock" rifle I purchased turned out when I received it had a cracked stock on the side of the pistol grip, bolt that had been renumbered (engraved) with no proofs, and also the stock appeared to be stained a very dark color. None of this was perceptable from the pictures sent to me. And none of this was in the long and very detailed written description. Fortunately he accepted the rifle back but it cost me $200. in shipping. The rifle is still for sale online if anyone would like to purchase it-but none of what I just told you is listed in the description even now. The rifle was refinished (in my opinion)to hide defects that would be obvious if the rifle had not been refinished. I have found that often times there is more of a reason a rifle was refinished than simply some dings and scratches in the stock and the blueing worn off the floorplate.
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That 10.75 looks very nice in the pictures and if it is all matching(he doesn't state it is matching in the description and has no pictures of the bolt) and refinished in a decent manner I don't understand why it did not sell. You guys in NZ need to buy these things up and bring them to America.
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That 10.75 looks very nice in the pictures and if it is all matching(he doesn't state it is matching in the description and has no pictures of the bolt) and refinished in a decent manner I don't understand why it did not sell. You guys in NZ need to buy these things up and bring them to America.
Most advertising here on Trademe do allow for try before buy especially on firearms. The average Kiwi nowadays is into stainless steel, plastic stocks, muzzle brakes, silencers and bipods for hunting. I suppose there are a few left who appreciate blue steel and wood classics
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Regarding your comments Rigbymauser, I would not turn away a type A such as the 10.75 in NZ if I had the opportunity to inspect the rifle prior to buying or had the oppotunity to return the rifle if the refinishing was not done in the period correct method for that rifle. That is assuming paying fair market value. If your paying well below fair market value and there is no return policy then it's a gamble. That rifle if refinished properly and matching is a bargain at $3000 NZ ($2474 US dollars). I only say this in having several bad experiences-one last year where a Mauser (type A 9.3X62mm 1922 mfgd.) "all matching" "professionally refinished slow rust blued" and "professionally oil refinished stock" rifle I purchased turned out when I received it had a cracked stock on the side of the pistol grip, bolt that had been renumbered (engraved) with no proofs, and also the stock appeared to be stained a very dark color. None of this was perceptable from the pictures sent to me. And none of this was in the long and very detailed written description. Fortunately he accepted the rifle back but it cost me $200. in shipping. The rifle is still for sale online if anyone would like to purchase it-but none of what I just told you is listed in the description even now. The rifle was refinished (in my opinion)to hide defects that would be obvious if the rifle had not been refinished. I have found that often times there is more of a reason a rifle was refinished than simply some dings and scratches in the stock and the blueing worn off the floorplate.
I was almost affraid you disliked the rifle..:LOL
You are right in all the above statements. If one is a collector and if the gun is refinished, it would be adviseable to inspect the gun in person to see what might hide. I was a a collector once. I was unfortunetly so dump(queer) to turn down many rare speciems just because of minor issues. Today I do not collect guns, but I do not turn down a rare gun either.My latest gun..A Kurz-mauser in 6,5x54KP Mauser was found almost be accident in a gunshop near me for a silly dime(almost). Nobody wants them anyway overhere.
Natually a true genuien factory finished gun in minty condition should/ought to cost more than a nicely refinishe/restored speciem. That we would always agree on .
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I agree 100% with you RigbyMauser. If that 10.75 is what it appears to be it would be a good deal at that price. I love original Mausers with the original wood and metal finish. I also like Mauser's that may have been refinished, but because they were done so well even a trained eye cannot tell that it was refinished. I am just more cautious with refinished rifles because of prior experiences which still kind of piss me off.
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Up until fairly recently, I don't think a lot of gunsmiths in the US understood how to refinish an English gun.
ie type or method of bluing used, type of colour case used on Rigby's, Holland's, Purdey's etc etc.
Just my HO.
And of course I have seen a few "doctored" guns in the US to make them more valuable than they were - 375 rechambers being one of them.
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That is a nice rifle,however it dosent state the stock is cracked around the pistol grip.Its been fixed but i dont want to find out the hard way,i was intending to get it turned to 404.The guy who is selling is a straight shooter and would not mislead anyone........still very tempting(he wants 4000 nz)To give you an idea of nz pricing a while back i picked up a model m in 7/57 for 2300 nz,a model b in 8/60 with original hensoldt scope at 2500 and a few years back a holland and holland(cased with trade label) 375 mag,built in 1913 on a magnum action in barrel take down form for 11000 nz(since sold).They were all picked up at the SAI auctions in auck nz.They often have interesting guns from rigbys,purdeys etc to 22 brnos.Cheers Mark.
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Sounds like you guys down there in NZ have very reasonable prices on the Mauser's. A model b in 8x60 with the original scope for 2500 nz sounds very good to me. I agree with you 500Nitro that we seem to lack a preponderance of highly skilled and knowledgable gunsmiths in the U.S. Unfortunately my first experience with a "gunsmith" in the U.S. was a bad one when I was 15. I have done all my own work ever since.
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For the seller of that 10.75 to not state in the description that the pistol grip is cracked is very disappointing. Can't men be honest and describe a rifle the way it really is?
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500Nitro
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I think I remember that H&H on a Magnum action.
Pity about the crack in the stock, however one thing I was told, especially if the price is right / low and / or you are going to rebarrel or something is Wood (as in stock) is easily fixed / replaced, buggered metal work in any way not so easily.
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