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Lioness as a hunting trophy
      #22580 - 24/12/04 12:11 AM

I see many hunters going to Africa to hunt lions, ie male lions as trophies.

When I first hunted in Zimbabwe the PH said they preferred to hunt lionesses and I noticed they were cheaper on the trophy rates list too.

Also I note many or actually almost all lion hunters are coming home empty handed. At least those posting stories on the net.

Does anyone hunt lionesses as opposed to lions?

Why or why not?

Is it taboo?

Is the likelihood of success much higher than for males?



Some discussion points.



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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #22583 - 24/12/04 12:55 AM

As lioness and leopardess apparently go off hunting or for whatever reason are separated at times from little cubs, not sure how to differentiate between them and mothers with weaned cubs.

Just can't see taking the chance. They get harrassed enough as it is. But I speak for myself only.

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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #22604 - 24/12/04 02:16 PM

I am probably in the minority but I think there is no prettier animal in all Africa than a sleek well fed Lioness. In contrast MOST males I've seen are really scruffy. I saw 2 lioness's in Hwange a couple of years ago that were magnificent. I have tried for 5 years for a lioness but now with the moratorium in Zim I will probably never take one. So be it.

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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: zimhunter]
      #22608 - 24/12/04 03:11 PM

Will,

The reasoning behind the PH's comments was to shoot a lioness means more cubs survive. ie if a pride dominant male was shot, a new male would take over and kill all the cubs so shooting a female meant more cubs survive.

Zimhunter,

Its like that isn't it. You want a female and you see males. Other guys hunt for a lion and see only immature ones and lionesses.

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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #22613 - 24/12/04 03:24 PM

I recently had the good fortune to take a beautiful
lioness on my last safari in Zimbabwe. It just happened
that one became available on quota (which is strictly
monitored) so I obviously spoke up.


My PH, who has quite a bit of experience, prefers to hunt
lioness over their male counterparts. He thinks they're
more alert, aggressive & overall more exciting to hunt.
I can personally verify the exciting part!! However I have
never hunted the males to compare this part.

As luck would have it, I had my Lancaster 450/400 NE
Double with me when we spotted the pair of lioness' in the
tall grass. We were able to stalk to about 45 yards,
primarily because they were preoccupied with a group of cow
elephant & their calves on their other side. My adrenal glands
were in high gear at this point

She was actually a large lioness, 22 1/2" skull, with
quite worn canines. My PH felt she was on the downhill
side of her career & not long from becoming dinner for a
mob of hyena.

For me, stalking that lioness in tall grass with a 1911
Lancaster Double on a cool African morning created a
memory that won't fade quickly. I highly recommend it
to everyone!!

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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #22623 - 25/12/04 12:48 AM

All your reasoning and that of cowboy may be true,but would you not agree that a male lions trophy is much more impressive than a females?

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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: iqbal]
      #22642 - 25/12/04 10:14 AM

Igbal,

Indeed a 6 x 6 bull elk makes a better appearance over
a fireplace than a "spike" or a "cow elk". But there is
a lot more into a trophy than that.

To me a trophy is the the entire experience, the amount
of time regulating, reloading, packing, planning, hiking,
sweating & the actual hunt itself.

I feel a "lioness" can make a spectacular African
trophy & a great hunt, anyway it did for me!

Cowboy

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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: iqbal]
      #22643 - 25/12/04 10:15 AM

I personally do not wish to hunt any of the female species, but I have no problem with anyone else doing so or doing it myself if it needs to be done...

I only care about shooting male Lions and big tusker elephants and buffalo with bit bosses...

I will shoot a female for camp meat or if they need to be culled, but its not my thing..

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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: iqbal]
      #22657 - 25/12/04 02:21 PM

Igbal

Yes I would much rather hunt a nicely maned lion as well. But I think a really cool mount oneday would be a full mounted lion and lioness.

Still need to hunt either of them, so MAY keep an open mind to which comes first.

Some of the lion trophies taken really are not that spectacular with poor shabby manes. Not saying the hunts themselves were not worth it and to me the hunt is the true value of the trophy in the end anyway.




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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: atkinson6]
      #22658 - 25/12/04 02:22 PM

In reply to:

I only care about shooting male Lions and big tusker elephants and buffalo with bit bosses...




.... and women with big boobs too !


(I hope - to match the trend )



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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #22670 - 26/12/04 03:26 AM



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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #22737 - 28/12/04 06:58 AM

I wouldn't have any problem shooting a lioness.

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Re: Lioness as a hunting trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #22768 - 29/12/04 02:56 AM

In reply to :.... and women with big boobs too !
What caliber would you use for that?

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