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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: bouldersmith]
      #393845 - 14/10/25 08:55 AM

G.E.Lewis 8Bore …. .875" (7/8") dia



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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: 3DogMike]
      #393846 - 14/10/25 09:12 AM

H&H 10Bore Paradox



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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: bouldersmith]
      #393847 - 14/10/25 10:19 AM

Indeed!

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: 3DogMike]
      #393848 - 14/10/25 10:55 AM

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G.E.Lewis 8Bore …. .875" (7/8") dia





8.73" is actually nominally 7 bore, but the bore would be closer to the .835" of a true 8 bore.

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: DarylS]
      #393850 - 14/10/25 12:16 PM

Daryl,
Correct indeed…….the Lewis is a “brass case” rifle hence the larger bore/groove diameter.
Paper case rifles were on the order of ~.835” whilst brass case rifles were of a larger actual bore maybe ~.845”-.855” (~.875”in the groove) due to the thinner case mouth and resulting slightly larger ball/bullet diameter to fit said brass case.
The rifles were typically referred as to “bore” based upon the usual overall shotshell dimensions -vs- actual true bore diameter. The original buyer was expected to know whether his rifle was a brass case or paper case version.
Given the use of a round ball I’d imagine either type ammo would function safely (maybe not accurately?) in either type bore or chamber.
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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: 3DogMike]
      #393853 - 15/10/25 12:47 AM

Along that line, I had a Husky M20, I think it was, that used a 16 bore paper case in the left, smooth barrel and a 16 bore brass case in the right, straight rifled barrel with a 13 bore (actual .705" 13 1/2bore) ball.
The larger bore, if used with a paper or plastic with shot, produced very nicely even cylinder patterns at 25 yards, perfect for rising birds. The smooth bore had an improved modified choke.

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: bouldersmith]
      #393854 - 15/10/25 02:54 AM

Wow, if that is a 4 bore, a 2 bore must look like a water main.

Curly, I also wouldn't want to shoot it but wouldn't mind watching some brave person shoot it.

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: 85lc]
      #393866 - 15/10/25 03:51 PM

3/10" larger, or thereabouts.

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: 85lc]
      #393873 - 16/10/25 02:07 AM

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Wow, if that is a 4 bore, a 2 bore must look like a water main.

Curly, I also wouldn't want to shoot it but wouldn't mind watching some brave person shoot it.




Just 2 side notes:
1) I'm not sure there ever was a no kidding "2Bore" hunting gun that was actually that. It has been written about "2Bore" shells (ie: 1/2lb) being used however those possibly fired out of something not of actual 2Bore internal barrel diameter.
That said, there are one or more modern made actual "2Bores" kicking around and I think YouTube videos of such.

2) 85lc….a proper weight 4Bore is not THAT much more enjoyment (punishment?) than a 10Dram 8Bore. the worst part is the notion of carrying the thing. Of course back in the day that is what gun bearers were for……
Many years ago I got to fire Ray Meyer's 4Bore Thomas Bland single shot (a fella in Montana has it now) with proper black powder and conical ball loads, after 2 rounds I'd had enough. Of course that was after already having fired 6 shots from my 8Bore….. no headache and only a bit of a tender shoulder.
At my present age I'm not inclined to do THAT again.

As they say: "Go big or go home"
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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: 3DogMike]
      #393876 - 16/10/25 03:38 AM

Mike, that is my meager understanding of 2 bores as well.

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: DarylS]
      #393894 - 17/10/25 09:50 PM



This is a pic of the muzzles of a Kavanagh 12-bore Howdah Rifle that has been in my custody for many years,
showing the interesting ratchet rifling in use at the time.
The pic is borrowed from an article I compiled for our local Arms Collectors Journal, apologies for the low resolution b/w image.

The full article is online HERE for those interested in such things.
If time permits, I'll take a better photo and upload to replace this one.

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: Marrakai]
      #393897 - 18/10/25 01:31 AM

Tony,
Thanks for posting and linking your article on Howder rifles & pistols. That is a very nice article; I enjoyed reading it.

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: 85lc]
      #393898 - 18/10/25 06:43 AM

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Tony,
Thanks for posting and linking your article on Howder rifles & pistols. That is a very nice article; I enjoyed reading it.



Same here mate, brilliant article!
A most pointed part being 'What's Up Front That Counts'!
Especially when a tiger is on your elephant.....Recoil is insignificant & the bigger the better counts!
I'm assuming that use shoot the Howdah event Tony, if so what load do you use?

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: 93x64mm]
      #393901 - 18/10/25 02:45 PM

Let's not derail this marvelous thread, but to answer your question Barry, I have been reluctant to fire the Kavanagh on account of the patches over the pin-fire holes atop each chamber, one of which seems to have ever so slightly loosened. I did get part-way towards making some seriously heavy brass hulls from .50 BMG cases a la Ed Hubbel's early "12ga from Hell" but got side-tracked before turning the rim collars... Another job for a rainy day?
Would have used maybe 2 drams of BP under a round ball just to say I've fired it, then maybe worked up towards 3 drams to investigate regulation, but the plod here are being silly about the discharge of antiques so technically I would have to change its registered status to "shooter" to be on the safe side.

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Re: It's What's Up Front That Counts! [Re: Marrakai]
      #393903 - 19/10/25 01:29 AM

Tony,

Your concern makes sense to me but, when the gun was a pinfire, that was just a hole in the breech end of the barrels and the gun worked fine. I would expect that there would not be much pressure at those holes because the holes are over the thick base of cartridge case.

I have read very little about changing pinfires to centerfires. I thought that either the barrels were set back slightly or the breech face lengthen slightly.

It would be interesting to see the barrel patches. Are they welded in place?

The pictures of your Howder in your article look like a very nice gun.

I guess we are lucky in the USA in that shooting antique guns does not change them into being classified as modern guns.

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