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CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant
#21751 - 06/12/04 12:42 AM

Of the various factory rifles available at the current time AND when compared out of the box, that is, no alterations at all

Which of the rifles have the most reliable feeding/extraction cycle.

My vote would be Weatherby and especially the 378 based calibres with the vertical stack magazine.

Again, no alterations, tune ups or whatever.

Mike

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: Mike375]
#21758 - 06/12/04 02:03 AM

Mike, these currently-produced rifles have fed the best for me right out of the box. These rifles are listed in no particular order:

1) Weatherby Mark V

2) Sako 75

3) Ruger M77 Mark II

4) Dakota 76

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: Mike375]
#21768 - 06/12/04 05:03 AM

I have never found a rifle that fed smoother, or more reliable than a Mannlicher Shoenauer MCA. They are CRF, and are as accurate as any hunting rifle I have ever owned, right out of the box, in the rifle stock. I don't like full length stocks on anything but Kentucky long rifles. The only draw back to the Mannlicher Shoenauer is, they never had very large chamberings. About the bast they had was the 9.3X62!

Believe it or not, I have never owned one of the reasonabley priced, Whitworth Express rifles that failed to feed with it's factory chambering.

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: DUGABOY1]
#21770 - 06/12/04 06:58 AM

In reply to:

I have never found a rifle that fed smoother, or more reliable than a Mannlicher Shoenauer

The problem with the rotary mag Mannlichers is that they will generally only feed one bullet weight and style. A bit of fiddling with seating depth can help, but that is not always an option.

And the same goes for a lot of '98 Mausers. Rigby .416's; known for their silky-smooth feed, can give a lot of problems with anything but 410-gr Round nose pills.

Currently, I'm having problems with a .275 Rigby, but that's using 100-gr Hornady HP's. And HP's can be a bitch in a lot of magazine rifles.

So, to answer this qustion, it needs to be qualified by whether the bullet's weight, style etc, is what could be reasonably expected to feed properly.

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: 470Rigby]
#21772 - 06/12/04 08:37 AM

So, to answer this qustion, it needs to be qualified by whether the bullet's weight, style etc, is what could be reasonably expected to feed properly.

All available ammo.

And only currently available rifles.

Mike

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: allenday]
#21774 - 06/12/04 08:47 AM

Allen,

I think there are two things that help Wbys.

Firstly is the cartridges. With the exception of the 416 and 460 they all have chamber diameters far larger than the bullet diameter. In the case of the 416 and 460 while bullet diameter is heading up to chamber diameter and round nose blunt bullets are common, they have the in line magazine.

Secondly, their feeding is completely controlled by the magazine box and I think that is easier to get right on a mass produced gun than it is to get the action right. A 303 SMLE is another good example.

Mike

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: 470Rigby]
#21780 - 06/12/04 11:21 AM

In reply to:

The problem with the rotary mag Mannlichers is that they will generally only feed one bullet weight and style. A bit of fiddling with seating depth can help, but that is not always an option.

That hasn't been my experience with the many Mannlicher SHOENAUER rifles I've owned. I'm not talking about the Steyer Mannlicher, they are pushfeed, and I have no use for them at all. Every MS I've owned has fed like quick silver, no matter what bullet I used, and I only use handloads, unless I run out of ammo and have to buy factory. The way the cartridge comes out of the magazine it is already level with the chamber by the time the bolt has hold of the cartridge. In addtion the butt od the barrels on M/S rifles are funnel shaped, and guide a out of line into the chamber, As if that would ever happen on one!

How did you find a factory chambered, 275Rigby new, and still in the box?

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: DUGABOY1]
#21793 - 06/12/04 06:18 PM

DUGABOY

I NEVER buy anything new in the box! But, I see a lot of blokes at the range cursing some plastic stocked wondergun because it won't feed, and when you ask it's often some reload with a projectile sitting out a lot further than it should, because they want to cram more powder in..... Or some such!

The gun always gets the bad rap!

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: 470Rigby]
#21820 - 07/12/04 03:27 AM

In reply to:

DUGABOY

I NEVER buy anything new in the box! But, I see a lot of blokes at the range cursing some plastic stocked wondergun because it won't feed, and when you ask it's often some reload with a projectile sitting out a lot further than it should, because they want to cram more powder in..... Or some such!

The gun always gets the bad rap!

The reason I asked , tongue-in-cheek , about the 275 H&H being new is, that was the origenal question! "NEW AND OUT OF THE BOX failiers!

I agree that ost failiers are the nut pulling the trigger rather than the rifle. Whic is also the case with your 275 H&H. The 275 was not designed to use 100 gr hollow points,nor was the rifle OUT OF THE BOX designed to feed them. That example is giveing the rifle the RAP for your loading practices! Don't you think?

In all case if a M/S rifle fails to feed it is not the fault of the rifle, but the shooter, by your own example. Paraphrase " the problem with M/S rotery mag rifles Failier to feed if bullets are seated out too far" That is shooter error, not poor design of the rifle!

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: DUGABOY1]
#21825 - 07/12/04 05:10 AM

DUGABOY

In reply to:

That example is giveing the rifle the RAP for your loading practices! Don't you think?

Hey! Keep your shirt on!

In case you missed the point of my original post, here it is again;

" So, to answer this question, it needs to be qualified by whether the bullet's weight, style etc, is what could be reasonably expected to feed properly"

I freely acknowledged that I had stepped outside the norm, the rest was simply by way of explanation.

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: 470Rigby]
#21876 - 07/12/04 03:08 PM

Hey 470 I meant no disrespect, just asking for clearification of what you were saying, nothing more! Sorry if I stung you a little! It wasn't intentional.

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: Mike375]
#21897 - 08/12/04 03:38 AM

Weatherby Mark V?

Surely you are joking.

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Re: CRF Vs Push feed...a different slant [Re: Mike375]
#21901 - 08/12/04 04:25 AM

The only new factory bolt rifles in DGR calibres that have not given me feeding or ejection problems are the
Blaser R-93, and the Weatherby Mark V.
Many rifles feed with non belted standard '06 sized cases.
But when the cases get "fatter" and/or belted is when you have problems. Neither one of my Whitworths a 375 and a 458 were reliable.
I have seen several other high dollar custom rifles fail to work, which is why I went to double rifles for dangerous game.
I have discovered I like them for almost all of my hunting.
When I want to use a bolt rifle I use a Rem Mod 7 in 308 or a Blaser R-93, for which I have several barrels from 223 to 375 H&H. I have never had a single problem with a Blaser.

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