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BrianAlbin
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The First Ivory Hunter?
#215834 - 31/08/12 07:37 PM

Seeing a book titled "The Last Ivory Hunter" lead me to wonder when the first one was. Romans or somebody probably harvested Ivory with spears or traps, but what I wonder is: when did Ivory hunting with firearms begin, and do we know the names of any of the earliest men to do it? Every time I hear of an early British hunter I am surprised by how early his dates are and think he must have been the first, then I learn of an earlier one! Baldwin in the 1850s is the earliest I have found yet, but he reports that landing in South Africa he found the game fields all shot out and had to walk inland all the way to the upper Zambezi river to get his sport!

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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: BrianAlbin]
#215835 - 31/08/12 08:01 PM

The early boys were spearing mammoths i believe.

Elephant ivory has been exported from Africa and Asia for centuries with records going back to the 14th century BC.

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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: gryphon]
#215842 - 31/08/12 10:46 PM

I remember reading something once about Elephants being herded or stampeded into dead end canyons and then taken
from above. Not sure how but it stuck in my mind.

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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: 500Nitro]
#215854 - 01/09/12 01:41 AM

San Bushmen in Africa many thousands of years ago.

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BrianAlbin
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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: poprivit]
#215901 - 01/09/12 07:29 PM

Yes, but do any of you know about early RIFLE use? I would like to read the writings of the earliest rifle hunters of the elephants.
Or even if the really early ones did not write of their adventures, I would like to know when their shooting was done.

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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: BrianAlbin]
#215916 - 02/09/12 01:49 AM

Wiliam Burchell, 19 June 1811. The white rhino was originally known as "Burchell's rhino". The quagga was known as "Burchell's zebra".

The book - Safari: A Chronicle Of Adventure - records all the early hunters. It was compiled by Bartle Bull, son of Bartle Brennen Bull - a famous White Hunter. Printed in 1988.

I might part with my copy, but it will be expensive (price not established yet.).

Another book is African Hunter II. Boddington & Peter Flack. Printed 2004.
Same story for my copy.

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500Nitro
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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: BrianAlbin]
#215923 - 02/09/12 07:07 AM

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Yes, but do any of you know about early RIFLE use? I would like to read the writings of the earliest rifle hunters of the elephants.
Or even if the really early ones did not write of their adventures, I would like to know when their shooting was done.

You could at least start with writings by Sir Samuel Baker.

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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: 500Nitro]
#215924 - 02/09/12 07:26 AM

The earliest hunters using firearms to take ivory would have been the various Arab traders oft mention in the early 'white hunter's' books.

But if we are talking of the earliest white hunters as we know them i.e. the ones preceding Selous, Bell, Taylor, etc, then I guess we do go back to Baker and those from the earlier parts of the 1800s.

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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: eagle27]
#215925 - 02/09/12 07:32 AM

When reading books by the likes of Baker et al, they often reference other earlier hunters. That then gives you a name to Google and search and so it goes on.

The others such as those mentioned by eagle above also did but may be a bit later.

I only picked Baker as he came to mind as an early hunter who wrote a lot so easy to source.

Edited by 500Nitro (02/09/12 07:34 AM)

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Re: The First Ivory Hunter? [Re: 500Nitro]
#215960 - 03/09/12 02:06 AM

According to Richard Harland (in his book "Ndlovu") the first written record of a white man, Pieter Roman, being killed by an elephant while hunting in South Africa dates back to 1661.

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