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SAHUNT
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Regulating a Double
      #214968 - 19/08/12 08:47 PM

I do not have a double, but one day I will have one. I have shot with doubles and enjoy shooting them.

My question is: What is the chances that a double will regulate with factory ammo? My personal opinion is that you are lucky if it regulates with factory ammo, unless it was regulated with a specific make of ammo and use the exact same ammo. For me the only way to realy regulate a double is to reload.

What is your opinion and experience?

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: SAHUNT]
      #214985 - 20/08/12 02:30 AM

I would not be happy unless the rifle regulated perfetly ie: shot parallel. To do that, I'd expect to have to reload for it.

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: DarylS]
      #214992 - 20/08/12 04:21 AM

You don't regulate a double. The maker does!

You reload to find or duplicate the regulation load that they used.

There is a difference!

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: AkMike]
      #215179 - 21/08/12 06:25 PM

AkMike, Thanks, I got my question wrong.


Lets rephrase. What is the chances that factory ammo will print very close to the regulated print?

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: SAHUNT]
      #215187 - 21/08/12 11:08 PM

It depends on the rifle.
Small bore high velocity rifles tend to be less forgiving.
Bore (16, 12, 10, etc) tend to be very forgiving.

You'll need to know what it was regulated for first, then choose similar bullet type, shape, and weight. From there the chances get better.

Choosing willy-nilly from the vast selection possibilities for 30-06..? Chances can vary as greatly as there are choices.
Choosing from .470 softs might narrow your chances a great deal...






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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: tinker]
      #215235 - 22/08/12 04:59 PM

A new double from a name maker will be regulated with a popular brand of factory ammo. Older doubles will require some finesse.

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: albertan]
      #215260 - 23/08/12 05:08 AM

i reloaded for my zoli 450 400 got sub one inch groups sent the same load to mr shoemaker for his rifle would not work same maker serial numbers close but shot to a different point of impact.but to try a factory loaded ammo good luck if it was regulated to kynoch dont try hornaday

Edited by bwananelson (23/08/12 05:09 AM)

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: bwananelson]
      #215813 - 31/08/12 05:37 AM

Bwana, you could go into a ware house full of one model and brand of the same name double rifles with consecutive serial numbers, select one and work up a perfect load for it. Then try that same load in every other one in that ware house, and I doubt that more than one out of twenty would shoot the same. They may be close, but some may be way off as well. Even if you know the factory ammo it was regulated with you are not going to know the lot number of that ammo, and it may or may not shoot as well your test target. The key IMO is when buying a new double rifle you need to obtain dies and powder and be prepared to do a little tweaking. It is a simple fact the to get the absolute best from any double rifle one must hand load! Of course the new buyer may be one of the lucky ones who gets one that shoots just about anything, but he shouldn’t count on it!

I know many guys, who shoot double rifles, and they are satisfied with the accuracy of regulation in their rifles with factory ammo, but few of them regulate properly. They simply think as long as they hit a cape buffalo someplace close to the aiming point out to 50 yds they are fine with that.

I am not fine with that type of regulation performance and I want my rifles to shoot properly so once I find a proper load I buy enough powder of the same lot number and load 100 rounds of new, sized, brass with that load and set it back for hunting. I usually have about twenty pieces of brass that I practice and stump shoot targets like wild hogs for practice and reload those twenty pieces of brass till they wear out, and buy twenty more for the same purpose. When I want to go hunting real big game, I take ammo from my 100 stash. In a big bore double rifle 100 rounds will last you several years if used only for serious hunting of dangerous game, and the other twenty stump shooting loads will do for everything else!

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #215818 - 31/08/12 09:04 AM

thats the same nearly as i do

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: bwananelson]
      #215883 - 01/09/12 12:27 PM

Order a Verney Carron and have them regulate it to a certain load (factory load or other) that you would like.

That is one of the things I like about V-C - you have a full custom built rifle to suit... at a very reasonable price!!

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Re: Regulating a Double [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #217744 - 08/10/12 04:03 AM

Quote:

Order a Verney Carron and have them regulate it to a certain load (factory load or other) that you would like.

That is one of the things I like about V-C - you have a full custom built rifle to suit... at a very reasonable price!!



That applies to every other brand on the market!

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