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      #214459 - 13/08/12 03:00 AM



Ten days ago, 200 Maasai “warriors”, in an act of vengeance, randomly speared a dozen elephants, 10 buffalo and a lion from Kenya’s Amboseli National Park – East Africa’s second most popular reserve.

They complained they received too little spin-off from the park, yet had to put up with elephants damaging their crops and taking lives.

A month before, six lions from Nairobi National Park were speared to death by disgruntled locals.

The raids echoed the recent assault on one of SA’s most attractive reserves – Ndumo in KZN – when angry farmers destroyed the fence and moved in with their livestock and ploughs.

African communities are becoming fed-up with wildlife – elephants in particular. And elephants are showing increasing signs of being fed-up with humans.

Specialists in animal behaviour believe that after years of being abused and of being more and more constricted, translocated and poached, elephants are hitting back.

African and Asian elephants are killing about 500 people a year, according to Brian Handwerk of National Geographic. He says it’s because they are being pushed into smaller and smaller pockets “and increasingly they are pushing back”.

From SA to the Sudan there have been so many fatal conflicts between elephants and people as well as crop damage that scientists have set up a Human Elephant Conflict programme as part of a worldwide Human Wildlife Conflict initiative backed by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN).

A paper – Human-wildlife Conflict in Africa, published by the Food and Agricultural Organisation in Rome – reported that the antipathy among rural Africans towards elephants “goes beyond that expressed for any other wildlife”.

It said people living in central Africa “fear and detest” elephants; that farmers in Zimbabwe display “ingrained hostility” towards them. “(They) are the focus of all local animosity toward wildlife.”

There’s evidence that today’s elephants are suffering from chronic stress brought about by prolonged habitat reduction, ceaseless poaching, culling and mass translocations. People who have had experience with these intelligent creatures know that elephants, like whales and dolphins, are sociable animals with strong family bonds and have an ultra long-range communication system outside of human hearing. As a result, dealing with the elephant overpopulation in parts of southern Africa is proving to be extremely complex.

Dr Gay Bradshaw, a psychologist and ecologist at Oregon State University who is involved in their environmental sciences programme concerned with Human Elephant Conflict, says: “Everybody pretty much agrees that the relationship between elephants and people has dramatically changed.

“What we are seeing today is extraordinary. Where for centuries humans and elephants lived in relatively peaceful coexistence, there is now hostility and violence.”

Bradshaw and her colleagues, in a 2005 article in the science journal Nature titled Elephant Breakdown, say elephants are displaying increased animosity.

Human Elephant Conflict threatens the future of Africa’s game reserves. Unless rural people who live among wild and dangerous animals derive tangible benefits from their situation – and soon – they will continue to support poaching. Most non-government wildlife organisations are blissfully unaware of the seriousness of the human-wildlife conflict.

Eighty percent of Africa’s wildlife lives outside protected areas, yet those who live among them have no say in their management and receive little or no benefit from the tourism that Africa’s wildlife brings.

Elephants are behaving in a way never before encountered because, says Bradshaw, “stress has so disrupted the intricate web of familial and societal relations by which young elephants have traditionally been raised in the wild, and by which established elephant herds are governed, that what we are now witnessing is nothing less than a precipitous collapse of elephant culture”.

She says they are showing signs of a societal breakdown.

It appears we are driving elephants mad.

In many regions of Africa there is an increasing human toll caused by elephants as well as increasing crop damage. There is also an increasing toll of elephants themselves – mostly by Far Eastern ivory smugglers who fund African poachers and bribe government officials and ministers.

The IUCN says an average of 104 elephants are killed daily in Africa – close to 38 000 a year. Recognising the increased tensions between elephants and humans, it has launched a worldwide project to hopefully alleviate some of the suffering – on both sides.

Human Elephant Conflict poses serious challenges to wildlife managers, local communities, conservationists worldwide and to the IUCN’s African Elephant Specialist Group and its Asian counterpart.

Between 1900 and 1984 Africa’s elephant population was reduced by 93 percent and is now found in only 5 percent of the continent. Its numbers have fallen from 1.3 million in the early 1970s to about 450 000 today. This recent sharp decline in numbers has mainly been due to poaching.

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Re: Maasai want more of a cut ... [Re: NitroX]
      #214466 - 13/08/12 06:34 AM

You have to applaud those blokes as to spearing all that big game.. with no modern rifles/

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      #214469 - 13/08/12 07:18 AM

I agree, Gryphon.

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      #214484 - 13/08/12 09:47 AM

Spearing all those animals is an incredible feat - as are the people incredible as well.

Not sure I'm grasping the Elephant situation correctly.

The elephant are overpopulated in heavily people populated, agricultural areas or countries that have little to no hunting but do have feel-good camera safari's for greenies - yet are being poached to extinction in those as well as all other areas, with Country and game officials on the take from Asians, ie: Chinese? Now, is that the Chinese government since they are communist, privately owned chinese business or is it other Oriental countries as well, that are doing this and just what Countries are these bottom feeding scum located in.

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      #214506 - 13/08/12 04:15 PM

BTW ...

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“What we are seeing today is extraordinary. Where for centuries humans and elephants lived in relatively peaceful coexistence, ...




and Bambi and Simba the lion frolicked together and were the best of friends ...

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... there is now hostility and violence.”







The reason Elephant Conservation and Managed Hunting MUST go together is because elephants are NOT tame and cuddly animals but the top of the food chain, and will destroy whole crops and kill farmers if not controlled.

The locals need to obtain INCOME and COMPENSATION from elephants in return for not poaching them.

Otherwise it simply does not work.

And "Disney" type comments are perfect to go hand in hand with such places as Kenya.

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Re: Maasai want more of a cut ... [Re: NitroX]
      #214509 - 13/08/12 04:39 PM




I wonder just where that figure of 450 000comes from. I may be wrong, but I had been led to believe that the number was almost 3 times that.
Also "now found in only 5 percent of the continent".

As for spearing them. Those gents have a much larger set then I do.


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      #214516 - 13/08/12 04:57 PM

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I wonder just where that figure of 450 000comes from. I may be wrong, but I had been led to believe that the number was almost 3 times that.
Also "now found in only 5 percent of the continent".

As for spearing them. Those gents have a much larger set then I do.


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Greenies always seem to like to under- or over- estimate numbers ...

I remember once seeing these numbers:

400,000 Tanzania
7.000 Kenya
80,000 Zimbabwe
50,000 Botswana
15,000 South Africa
+ Mozambique
+ Namibia
+ Zambia
+ other countries

Who knows?


Check out the Italian film "Africa Addios" on the net somewhere, which has scenes of elephant being brought down by spearing.

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Re: Maasai want more of a cut ... [Re: NitroX]
      #214526 - 13/08/12 08:59 PM

Many many years ago people and elephants did live peacefully in the same habitat. Those days elephants had to migrate between natural water recourses. Drought took care that the population did not grow to big. During this migrations plenty of the elephant died, due to the lack of water and only the fittest survived.

Mankind changed this by building dams and watering places all over Africa, all of a sudden elephant did not have to take the long migrating routes and the population kept on growing, which caused an imbalance between animals and human's. Also the native population started increasing due to better medical care, better food supply and lack of birth control.

Lots of natural habitat was destroyed to make way for cultivated lands and the locals stopped bringing their cattle into kraal's at night, causing conflict between livestock owners and predetors.

It is a very complex situation in Africa to conserve wildlife. If the locals do not get a spinoff from the wildlife, they will keep on killing wildlife to protect their possesions and the wildlife will keep on taking what is the easiest for them to feed on.

The fact of the matter is that once mankind started changing the nature of nature, they must keep on managing it. This is where hunting plays a major role. The hunted animals can provide protien to the locals as well as money. The problem with the money is that it usually ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials.

In the end conservation will only suceed if hunting are allowed in the whole of Africa. Ecco tourism just cannot generate the income hunting can generate and it provides no food. Eco tourism also causes much more damage to the enviroment than a hunting party does.

Unfortuneately there is not an easy solution.

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Re: Maasai want more of a cut ... [Re: NitroX]
      #214539 - 14/08/12 12:14 AM

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Check out the Italian film "Africa Addios" on the net somewhere, which has scenes of elephant being brought down by spearing.




I have that documentary on DVD in it's entirety. Somewhat confronting footage, some of it.


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      #214550 - 14/08/12 01:10 AM

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SAHUINT - Many many years ago people and elephants did live peacefully in the same habitat. Those days elephants had to migrate between natural water recourses. Drought took care that the population did not grow to big. During this migrations plenty of the elephant died, due to the lack of water and only the fittest survived.

Mankind changed this by building dams and watering places all over Africa, all of a sudden elephant did not have to take the long migrating routes and the population kept on growing, which caused an imbalance between animals and human's. Also the native population started increasing due to better medical care, better food supply and lack of birth control.

Lots of natural habitat was destroyed to make way for cultivated lands and the locals stopped bringing their cattle into kraal's at night, causing conflict between livestock owners and predetors.

It is a very complex situation in Africa to conserve wildlife. If the locals do not get a spinoff from the wildlife, they will keep on killing wildlife to protect their possesions and the wildlife will keep on taking what is the easiest for them to feed on.

The fact of the matter is that once mankind started changing the nature of nature, they must keep on managing it. This is where hunting plays a major role. The hunted animals can provide protien to the locals as well as money. The problem with the money is that it usually ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials.

In the end conservation will only suceed if hunting are allowed in the whole of Africa. Ecco tourism just cannot generate the income hunting can generate and it provides no food. Eco tourism also causes much more damage to the enviroment than a hunting party does.





That is how I understood the situation as well. Well put.

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Re: Maasai want more of a cut ... [Re: NitroX]
      #214557 - 14/08/12 03:00 AM

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Ten days ago, 200 Maasai “warriors”, in an act of vengeance, randomly speared a dozen elephants, 10 buffalo and a lion from Kenya’s Amboseli National Park – East Africa’s second most popular reserve.

They complained they received too little spin-off from the park, yet had to put up with elephants damaging their crops and taking lives.






The fundamental problem is the African birth rate. As they are unable to control their birth rate, a suitable alternative is to cut off all food and medical aid so that the population can control itself.


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