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WildCattle
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: 93mouse]
#217161 - 24/09/12 10:10 AM

From the (excellent) pictures on the seller's website, the barrels were 458 win mag originally and re-chambered to 450#2. The barrels are not original to the gun.
It's very nice...
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DUGABOY1
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: WildCattle]
#217350 - 29/09/12 11:39 AM

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1906 W&R - 450No2 - Single trigger

Actually for sale ATM:

Feine Jagdwaffen Waffenhandel Norbert Wenninger

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From the (excellent) pictures on the seller's website, the barrels were 458 win mag originally and re-chambered to 450#2. The barrels are not original to the gun.
It's very nice...
WC-

The barrels were not originally chambered for 458 Win Mag, because the rifle was made in 1906, and the 458 Win Mag cartridge was introduced in 1954! Why would some one fit a pair of chambered for 458 Win Mag to a 1906 WR double then re-chamber them to 450N2? Sounds like a long way around the barn to me!
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4seventy
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: Huvius]
#217365 - 29/09/12 03:18 PM

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What the heck is .450 2.5" on the flat of the lefthand barrel?

That would be the mark for .458 Win Mag.
The bore measures .450", (groove .458") and the case length is two and a half inches.
This is the way the Birmingham proof marks were done between 1954 and 1989.
The proofmarks of that era would also include the chamber pressure in TONS per []". (tons per square inch)
For the .458 Win Mag that would be 19.5 TONS per []".

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4seventy
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: DUGABOY1]
#217366 - 29/09/12 03:54 PM

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The barrels were not originally chambered for 458 Win Mag, because the rifle was made in 1906, and the 458 Win Mag cartridge was introduced in 1954! Why would some one fit a pair of chambered for 458 Win Mag to a 1906 WR double then re-chamber them to 450N2? Sounds like a long way around the barn to me!
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The new barrels were fitted and proofed somewhere between 1954 and 1989 going by the Birmingham proofs.
The barrels may have been made at the time when Kynoch ammo was difficult to obtain, and that could be the reason for the .458 Win Mag chambering. 458 Ammo would be easy (or easier) to get at that time.
(Kynoch stopped making NE cartridges about 1970.)

The gun was then rechambered and reproofed at London in 2005, to the .450 No2 NE.
By 2005 the old rimmed NE cases and cartridges were being made available through several different sources, including born again Kynoch, and I guess the guns owner at that time preferred a lower pressure rimmed NE cartridge chambering over the belted rimless .458 Win Mag.

See also that "450" gold inlay where the top rib meets the barrel extension, appears to have been changed from "458".

Quite a high grade gun originally by the looks of it. Spare detatchable locks etc.

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DUGABOY1
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: 4seventy]
#217741 - 08/10/12 03:25 AM

That explains it and it makes perfect sense, because that was the reason the doubles were factory chambered for 458 Win Mag durring the 1960s. There was a time when you couldn't sell a double rifle to anyone but a collector, because they were almost imposible to find componants to even hand load for them, especially in the USA. My first double rifle was a H&H cased double that I paid only $900 USD for because nobody had componants or ammo for it,so was a collector piece only, and double rifles were not a popular item in El Paso, Texas at that time!

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zephyr
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: lancaster]
#219677 - 16/11/12 12:30 AM

All ways have admired the fences on that period Woodward

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NitroX
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: zephyr]
#228188 - 07/04/13 02:06 AM

ummmmm .................

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TH44
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: NitroX]
#228198 - 07/04/13 02:39 AM

Gross!

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casper50
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: TH44]
#228199 - 07/04/13 02:53 AM

My thoughts exactly

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AkMike
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: casper50]
#228200 - 07/04/13 02:59 AM

Ummmm,, Well,, Uh...

You certainly have to give them an A for effort.

It's fugly but well done.

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Re: Double of the Day [Re: AkMike]
#228221 - 07/04/13 10:24 AM

Rather busy, isn't it.

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Ripp
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: DarylS]
#228225 - 07/04/13 10:55 AM

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Holding the Ctrl button and pushing the 0 button will make the screen go back to normal.

Yes - say the other 'facers' some of which are rather goulish - even a couple pac-man-type 1/2 faces.

The girl's or woman's face was rather 'fetching', 1920's era - like "Betty Boop".

You can also do the same holding the CTRL button and spinning the wheel on the mouse..makes it larger and smaller..

Good catch Daryl...its almost like you were in law enforcement or something??

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NitroX
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: Ripp]
#228239 - 07/04/13 04:13 PM

I find some features of the engraving quite interesting by themselves ... the crocodile safety is actually quite nice, the very different hippo release lever is well done. Much better than the elephant head with trunk and sharp tusks release lever of a very similar rifle. The sideplate engraving while heavy shows the beasts without the cartoonish looks some engravers do.

But all combined, way way over the top. Haven't mentioned all the other stuff. Sometimes more is way too much.

There is always something elegant about refined tastes rather than piling it on. But I assume this rifle is much valued by its owner.

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Matabele
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: NitroX]
#228314 - 08/04/13 04:18 PM

Wow! I can appreciate the skill that it took to craft that gun, the engraving (or sculpting...)is truly exceptional. But put all together it just looks ridiculous to my tastes. No doubt the owner is enjoying it all the same and that's what a custom is all about at the end of the day.

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: Matabele]
#228331 - 08/04/13 09:34 PM

What on earth ???? Why ? I suppose it will never be shot but even as a safe queen it is beyond the pale or is it me ?

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Buchsemann
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#228355 - 09/04/13 02:16 AM

It sure had to have been a lot of work. I can see it as an engraver's sample to show off one's capabilities but if taken to the field I would think it a must to take along a matching necklace, ring and belt buckle. You know, the Liberace gone bush look.

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NitroX
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: Buchsemann]
#243359 - 06/03/14 04:05 PM

Tasteful engraving on this Verney-Carron.

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Waidmannsheil
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: NitroX]
#243362 - 06/03/14 05:58 PM

Very nice engraving.

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xausa
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Re: Double of the Day [Re: 4seventy]
#243409 - 07/03/14 07:55 AM

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The new barrels were fitted and proofed somewhere between 1954 and 1989 going by the Birmingham proofs.
The barrels may have been made at the time when Kynoch ammo was difficult to obtain, and that could be the reason for the .458 Win Mag chambering. 458 Ammo would be easy (or easier) to get at that time.
(Kynoch stopped making NE cartridges about 1970.)

I had a matched pair of Westley Richardson Farquharsons which had been converted to .458 Winchester Magnum by Paul Roberts go through my store in the mid 1970's. At the time the .458 and to a lesser extent the .460 Weatherby were the only game in town when it came to factory ammunition suitable for thick skinned dangerous game. The is why my Krieghoff double rifle, made in 1970, was caliber .458 Winchester Magnum. I would have much preferred a rimmed cartridge, had one such been available.

I have often wondered what happened to the Farquharsons and what caliber they now are.

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