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4seventy
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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #26815 - 25/02/05 09:38 AM

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None of these brass problems is a problem at all in the cartridge like the 9.3X74R. You can use the Norma brass quite effectivly. You simply buy a 100 round bag from HDS for a little less that $1.00 us each. Work up a load that shoots properly in your rifle, with 20 pieces of the brass. Once you have a load, load the rest of the brass with that load, for hunting. As cheap as it is, simply hunt with the vergin brass, and let the ejectors kick it in the weeds! I never hunt with anything but vergin brass anyway, so when I get low on loaded ammo, I simply order another 100 rounds of brass, and load them up! I like to keep 100 rounds of ammo on hand at all times for hunting.






Mac,
Your idea might be ok for someone who shoots very little with their 9.3 doubles.
However if I had to use brand new cases everytime I shoot, and then also spit these cases into the weeds, with the large number of shots I fire each year using 9.3x74 brass, I'd go broke real fast!



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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: CptCurl]
      #26817 - 25/02/05 11:00 AM

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I am glad to hear that Norma has beefed up its 9.3 brass.




Curl,
Me too.
I just checked some unfired Norma 9.3x74 brass that I bought a couple of years back and it weighs 201.5 grains.


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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: 4seventy]
      #26833 - 25/02/05 01:11 PM

Alan,

I just weighed 10 of mine. The total weight was 2025.4 grains for an average weight is 202.5 grains.

That puts the new stuff almost 10% heavier, which sounds pretty significant to me. I hope it is all in front of the web where they want to separate.

That would make shooting the 9.3 a much happier proposition!

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Curl

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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: CptCurl]
      #26845 - 25/02/05 08:23 PM

I have some old norma 9.3x74 cases here headstamped NORMA Re and these have proven very unreliable.
Splits in the neck and shoulder areas, as well as holes burned right through the case walls and total head seperations sometimes on the second firing.
I don't use any of this brass anymore.
Just checked one and it weighed 186 grains.
Pretty thin stuff!


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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: CptCurl]
      #26846 - 25/02/05 08:29 PM

Dear Captcurl

Please give me your adress, I'll give You all brass I can grasp, mainly RWS.
JB

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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: larcher]
      #26862 - 26/02/05 01:59 AM

Hi,

With the new Norma I've not had any problems getting 5-7 reloads with the cases in my 9.3x74r. Seems to work well, I have bunch of RWS but have not had to use it yet since the norma works well now.



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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: CptCurl]
      #26873 - 26/02/05 07:04 AM

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In fact, as a matter of interest, I recently stumbled across the rifle I owned at that time in Champlin's "Museum". I wonder who owns this fine rifle now? Here are the links, for those who are interested:

Link to Champlin "Museum" page 1

Link to Champlin "Museum" page 2

Looking at the pictures makes me wonder why I let that baby go. The engraving was about as good as game scenes, with oak leaves and acorns, can get.

Ah, but gun trading. . .

Best regards,
Curl





Captcurl, I almost bought that rifle last year! I suspect that the rifle once had a set of shot, or cape gun barrels, based on the bird dogs, and pheasent in the engraveing!

As far as kicking the brass into the weeds, that is only when hunting, I always reload the brass used in practice, or stump shooting. When hunting Cape Buffalo with my Westley Richards 500/450NE, I always kick the brass into the weeds, in the heat of battle. In that case, the brass is the last thing on my mind! If a tracker picks it up so much the better, but I have better things to do with my attention! In my 9.3X74R, I always reload all the RWS brass, unless it is lost in the vines and briars, where I hunt hogs. It just seems silly to try to see where the brass goes, rather than keep your eye on the target at hand, especially if the animal doesn't go down with the first two shots!

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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: CptCurl]
      #26877 - 26/02/05 07:41 AM

CptCurl,

I more or less agree with SP2 and a possible headspace problem. I'm afraid the 9.3 x 74 having any useful shoulder to help headspace is pretty dismal however. Even if the die is set back sizing I usually have the firing pin strike able to drive this gentle tapered brass deeper re-creating the problem. If it doesn't help that is probably what's happening.

Rim thickness....... This is critical and sometime in the past I remember someone saying the RWS rim was thicker than the Norma by a few thousandths in 9.3 x 74. That would help if still true.

If the gun were mine CptCurl, I would do the following. I would punch out several round discs about 1/2" diameter out of your computer paper. (20# paper is usually about .004" thick) Take a couple of empty cases (unprimed) and Lightly dab a slight amount of weak glue (like paper glue) to a disc of paper and stick it to the back of the empty case. Let it dry and then try it for closing in your double one barrel at a time. Feel for slight resistance just before lockup without using any force; all you want is the excess space measurment.(headspace) If they do easily close, then glue two thicknesses on and try again. If two go, then try three, if three or more discs will easily close glued to the back of a case then the gun could be causing the early case separations........Paper thickness can be varied as well if the exact headspace is of interest............

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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #26882 - 26/02/05 09:01 AM

Mac,

That Suhl 9.3 was indeed a peach. I also wondered about the birds and dog in the engraving and suspected shot barrels might have been in its past.

I got that rifle from Bob Jones in 1994. In 1999 I traded it to a friend of mine who lives in St. Louis. He trades with George Caswell, so I feel sure that's how it got there. I saw it on George's website a year or so ago. At that time I was trying to talk George out of a 28 gauge Piotti, without success.

Makes you wonder where it has landed. Maybe you should have bought it.

Best regards,
Curl

P.S.

We'll forgive you for kicking out the brass in the heat of battle or leaving it behind when it lands in the thorns!

Curl

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Re: 9.3x74R Brass - Any Suggestions? [Re: CptCurl]
      #26944 - 27/02/05 05:27 AM

CptCurl, the 9.3X74R has always been one of my favorite chamberings in a double rifle, cape gun, or drilling. I find it hard to pass one that is nice, and like you have sold a couple that I wish I had back! The only 9.3X74R I have now is a little Merkel, and it has become my favorite double for the USA. One reason is, it is so cheap to shoot a lot, where punching paper on a regular basis with some of the big bore doubles seriously cuts funds I need for hunting!

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