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Mike_Bailey
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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: tinker]
      #206120 - 28/03/12 07:02 PM

My old man used to tell me when I was a kid to never try and change a mans mind about "religion, politics or red headed women". Maybe we should include forends, splinter or beaver, into that equation best

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: tinker]
      #206122 - 28/03/12 08:53 PM

Splinter for me.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: ozhunter]
      #206128 - 28/03/12 09:48 PM

From a practicality point of view, if you measure the width of your garden variety SxS 12bore with a splinter forend, somewhere in the middle of the forend, you get a measurement of around 5.3cm. If you take your average 470 with a beaver tail forend and measure at approximately the same point, you end up with a figure in the vicinity of 5.5cm.

Generally speaking, if the garden variety 12bore with a splinter forend is comfortable and easy to point, I would say that your 470 with a beaver tail would be just as comfortable, seeing the grip radius is just about the same. Fom an aesthetic point of view, that comes down to personal preference and we can argue that point till we are blue in the face.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: Rigby350]
      #206140 - 29/03/12 01:09 AM

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About the forend becoming loose, this rarely happens since the majority of the rearward force is against the Receiver NOT the forend latch.



It seems to me you don't understand the nature of the forces at play. With the beavertail forend, the hand grasps only wood, that is to say, only the forend and not the barrels. When the rifle recoils, the forend meets resistance from the forward hand. The effect is the same as if the forward hand shoves the forend forward. Thus the unwanted stress to the latch and other forend parts is a forward force working on the rear of the latch and its lug. It is not a rearward force at all.

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CPTCURL'S problem with his Silver Hawk forend was mainly due to the fact that this was not one of Beretta's better made guns...as a gunsmith this I know.



From my personal observation this explanation doesn't carry the day.

Westley375, you seem adamant in favor of a beavertail. That suits me fine. I have good friends who fawn over Parker shotguns with forends as big as a saw log. In their eyes it's beautiful. In my eye it's butt ugly. The question is answered 90% by personal preference, and on that we are absolutely entitled to satisfy ourselves.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: CptCurl]
      #206147 - 29/03/12 11:11 AM

Curl- When I started this thread I expected some passionate responses. But very few really gave any factual info ...so I came to the conclusion it really is mostly a personal preference thing. I was not "adamant" about Beavertails just trying to get some real facts ....I thought adamant was typing "splinter" 67 times. I have the Maharaja of Alwar's Westley Richards 375H&H and I think it is the most beautiful Double rifle I have ever held and it has a SPLINTER forend !!!

Edited by Westley375 (29/03/12 11:14 AM)

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: Westley375]
      #206149 - 29/03/12 11:23 AM

When I was making the Gera Doubles, I made the prototype with a Beavertail forend. I wanted to give it a definite American look. I wasn't very happy with the look.

If I recall correctly all the others had the Splinter forend.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: tinker]
      #206150 - 29/03/12 11:25 AM

Westley,

You're correct in that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have to admit, when I first started learning about double rifles, I didn't like the splinter fore-end. Didn't know how to hold the barrels, had no understanding of history and nostalgia of the old English guns, etc. For me, the splinter was a bit like Single Malt Scotch in that is was an acquired taste and since becoming familiar with them, it's just what I prefer now.

But rest assured, in a pinch, I'll still drink a Chivas Reagal.

Cheers man!

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: HogPilot]
      #206151 - 29/03/12 11:39 AM

Hogpilot-- tis a shame we may never meet for I have some 25yr old MacCallan that tastes even more delicious with a Double Rifle in your lap....Cheers to you Sir !!

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: Westley375]
      #206154 - 29/03/12 12:45 PM

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I thought adamant was typing "splinter" 67 times.



Ha, ha I thought my post conveyed a certain humor. That's what was intended. I typed the word only twice. Then I selected my two "splinters", hit Ctrl-C (for "copy"), then hit "end" and then hit Ctrl-V (for "paste") quite a few times. Actually, I held down the Ctrl key and just pecked on the "v". I didn't count. 67 you say? Not bad!

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: CptCurl]
      #206157 - 29/03/12 01:30 PM

Ok now I laugh.... I guess Iam too dim or too serious sometimes. Cheers to you as well Sir !!

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: Westley375]
      #206158 - 29/03/12 01:40 PM

You have to realize on these forums the early English double rifle is the only speciman of double rifle that can be considered legitimate. And since the English were proponents of the splinter forearm you must accept that that form is the only one that can be considered as being authentic. The people on this forum are absolutely the final word in experts on the double rifle and you should not even ask such a question of them. How dare you even presume that the beavertail would be more comfortable or give you better control when that is an absolute false hood. Many more questions such as that and you could possibly be banished.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: zimhunter]
      #206161 - 29/03/12 02:00 PM

I've seen this before elsewhere.
It at times appears as if there are vulnerable feelings around this subject.

Go figure.

Heaven forbid some of you guys get caught with a lefaucheux actioned SxS bore rifle in your hands.
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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: tinker]
      #206162 - 29/03/12 02:24 PM

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Heaven forbid some of you guys get caught with a lefaucheux actioned SxS bore rifle in your hands.



Now those fore-ends were definately only to stop the barrels falling off when you opened the action. Not to mention black-powder (read "hot fingers") and the steel buttplate (read "oweee").

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #206166 - 29/03/12 03:53 PM

I've always had a thing for red-headed women .

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: ruffcountry]
      #206170 - 29/03/12 04:17 PM

double rifle fore-ends are like women, some slim, some not. It just comes down to what you like the feel of, and the looks. Both types can give untold pleasure.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: underlever]
      #206172 - 29/03/12 06:09 PM

And fore ends are actually better because they don't get jealous - you can feel grasp and admire another fore-end and they don't care

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #206173 - 29/03/12 08:26 PM

In SxS a close circumference continental style pistol grip requires a chubbier fore-end in an attempt to retain a single plane between both hands. In the English fashion with a laid back grip a splinter or semi splinter is preferable. As for fore-end fasteners I prefer the old Rigby syle lever over the other two.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: tinker]
      #206175 - 29/03/12 09:46 PM

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I've seen this before elsewhere.
It at times appears as if there are vulnerable feelings around this subject.

Go figure.



When someone asks for opinions and thoughts they are liable to get them.

If others find those opinions and thoughts confronting, tough.

For me personally I really dislike beavertail forends. I wouldn't own a side by side with one, also they are not ideal for good natural pointing in my opinion. Most likers of beavertails are American shooters. Interesting to see the majority of responders for splinter forends on this thread were also American.

Not a problem, everyone to their own tastes.

If the comments makes people feel threatened ??? I guess they should stick to beavertails and leave all the good looking guns and rifles to the rest of us.

My Simson Suhl 12 g s-by-s has a forend in between, but closer to a splinter forend. But the whole shotgun is a cheapie.

My Tikka Under and Over has an ugly chubbie forend, the whole DR/Shotgun is a cheapie. Interesting this rifle/shotgun is the one where the forend sometimes comes loose under recoil.

100% prefer a splinter forend.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: Westley375]
      #206207 - 30/03/12 10:09 AM

Westley375,
I have shot guns with both types of forends and for me, I like the semi beavertail, I hope this is not seen as some kind of compromise. If I had to choose one of the other of the two types you mentioned, I would take the full beavertail. I have heard this arguement about splinter versus beavertail till I'm sick of hearing it. I think that the main reason the Brits put splinter forends on their rifles is because that's also the type they were putting on their shotguns at the time. Lets face the fact too, that they were in the business to make money,and the splinter forend is dead easy to make and fit compared to a nice beavertail.
There is much to be said for the lining up of the hands on the same plane, IF we are talking about instinctive shotgunning at flying game using a straight hand english stock, but I don't feel that that has anything to do with a well aimed shot from a double rifle with a pistol grip on it.
I have heard all the hokum about the stress and strain on the forarm if it was made as a beavertail, but I have yet to hear of one that actually failed in the field. My best advice to you is to get the one that feels best and shoots best for you, no matter what these guys tell you. It's your gun, and this is not a popularity contest, shoot what works best for you. Bob

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #206215 - 30/03/12 01:50 PM

For me, a splinter feels best with a straight grip, the semi-beavertail with a pistol grip.

Seems to me, which one is usually a totally a personal requirement or preference.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: DarylS]
      #206481 - 04/04/12 07:52 AM

On anything splinter. I have big hands, but the beavertail has always seemed clunky and shifty, and my shooting suffers. Just remember if you plan to shoot a lot with splinter, splinter, splinter take gloves, gloves, gloves...or enjoy the sizzle.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: Proffitt]
      #206531 - 05/04/12 02:26 AM

I find with beavertails forends, the grip is one the forend, not the barrels, due to the width of the forend. I prefer the barrel grip as that puts my eye and sights on the target spot.

Gripping below the barrels on a big forend makes me want to raise the barrels above the target spot when I snap the gun to my shoulder. It takes time to then drop the barrels so the sights align - this slows target aquisition and isn't comfortable - for me.

Whether the gun has a pistol grip or not doesn't seem to matter.

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Re: Opinions wanted....Beavertail or Splinter on a DR [Re: Westley375]
      #208140 - 08/05/12 06:02 AM

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Yes we all know splinter forends are traditional but does a larger (beavertail) have any advantages ? I have large hands and my fingers do wrap around the barrels (and get in the way of my line of sight) and you need to hold on with a 470 NE. whatayouthink?



Westley375, you did ask for "OPINIONS" right? Well you got pleanty of them, they just don't agree with yous! Live with it, and use what you want.

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