Omnivorous_Bob
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Some time ago I seriously pondered building a set of 22LR barrels to fit my son's 410 side by side. I thought a 22 would be an excellent DR to learn on and be easy and fun to shoot without dealing with a lot of weight and recoil. I also thought having the same stock, grip, LOP, trigger pull, feel, etc as the shot barrels would be an advantage in learning.
Because I still wanted to use the 410 barrels I couldn't offset the firing pins, and pondered several methods to make RFs work, but eventually decided a small centerfire would be easier all around and still achieve the goal of cheap to shoot,zero recoil, light, and easy to shoot.
When I finally accepted the fact that I've got more gun projects in the works than any one man could reasonably get finished in a lifetime, I sent blanks and 25-20 reamers to Ellis Brown in CO. Following are photos of his excellent work and the gun's progress to date.
Contoured blanks next to 26" 410 tubes
Shoe lump complete and joined
Lump machined
Extractor recess cut
Extractor installed
Barrels fit to action
Fitting rib
Bottom rib attached
Scope bases intalled
Currently the rifle is back in AK and is polished and in the white. It was regulated for 75gn bullets at 1950 fps using AA1680, which should be an excellent small game/plinking load. I had the opportunity to fire just a few pairs the other day before I was almost immediately called away by an emergency, so I didn't have an opportunity to chrono or check regulation yet. I've got a bunch of Speer 75gn flat points and Hornady 75gn V-maxs loaded but unfortantely it will be a couple of weeks before I can get back to shoot (work rears its ugly head again). I've also mounted a 2.5x leupold in qd rings to try out.
I'll post more info and chrono/regulation results as time and work permit, along with more photos when the barrels eventually get blacked. I'm really excited about this fun little double and can't wait to get it out in the field.
Cheers,
Bob
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Very nice indeed Bob, you mention that you had more 'Projects' than can be done in your lifetime ?? the more you have, the longer that you will live as you won't die until there all done.
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Huvius
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Looks really good.
I like the shoe lump option especially for a second set of barrels and seems like it is much more straight forward than a threaded mono-block. No seam to conceal, different metals and blue characteristics,etc.
One thought though, in looking at the breech end and knowing that there will be a quarter rib fit, is anyone making concealed longitudinal cuts along the barrels in an effort to shed a few ounces?
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casper50
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Bob that looks great. I understand if you don't want to answer this question but how much did it cost?
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Now, how cool is this? WOW - that will be a fun gun -
Bob, those little Sitkas will be prime for a 75gr. RN, FP or even spitzer, I'd think. 1,950fps will work just fine.
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Looks awesome.
Thanks for posting.
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tinker
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Neat little magic wand.
Can't wait to see how it shoots!
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I have wanted another 410 sxs again after selling on the one I had many years ago. Great little guns, and to have the ability to change from the shot barrels to a small C/F, a real bonus.
Von Gruff.
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One possibility with .410's is to rifle one choke or have one choke rifled in a full choked double. The other full choke should be opened to an improved or improved cylinder choke, to improve the patterns. A true full choke, ie: .040" constriction, is too much for such a small bore with such a long shot column.
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Thanks to Bob for starting this post and the great complements. This was the first shoelump that I actually completed and it has some minor issues. I don't have a problem if Bob wants to post what he paid for this rifle, but I gave Bob a "one-time" discount, since this was the first "customer" shoelump that I have done. Bob's price was a bit better than I will extend again.
I really like everything about shoelumps. Better barrel contours and, as already mentioned above, no seams to hide. They take that same amount of work to fit to the action as a monoblock and that is where real work/expense comes into play. I have another shoelump project that is coming along very well - a second set of barrels for an I. Hollis 500/465. This is a vintage gun built around 1915, and the customer wants a second set of barrels for it in 450 #2. Two reasons for this: 1, The 450 #2 shoots a .458 bullet and has a better variety/manufacturers of bullets, and the availability of cheaper "dirt bank bullets" (there is only one bullet available in .465); 2, he can shoot monolithic solids without concern of damaging his "vintage" barrels.
I don't want to "highjack" thread with anymore of my stuff, but anyone wanting barrel work should PM me with your email address, and I will send you my current price information. Also, I am hoping that this week I will have my web site up, and all the information will be there as well. I will start a new thread to announce the web site once it is up and running.
Thanks again Bob!
Ellis
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tinker
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Ellis-
I also very much like the shoe-lump style of construction.
I've owned all styles of configuration from chopper lump to monoblock, and I think the shoe lump has the most character and is the best showcase of the builder's art.
Neat little conversion!
Cheers
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Omnivorous_Bob
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Casper, pm sent.
Ellis, thanks for the great work. I really like the look of the shoe lump barrels too, as the lines are very clean. I'll try to get some photos posted in its polished state soon but it will be a while before I get to shoot again.
Bob
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Omnivorous_Bob
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It's been a while since I've updated, but I still haven't managed to send this rifle out to have the barrels blacked. I'm having too much fun shooting it at the moment. Maybe this winter....
Tonight I tried a new bullet/load of 12.5 grains of AA1680 wth a 75 grain Hornady V-max as an experiment. This is max in Hornady's manual and should give a hair over 2000fps (I didn't chrono them). They still didn't quite seal the case necks and the brass was very dirty, but I won't go higher. This target was the result of three pair shot off of sticks at 25yds as rapidly as I could manage.
Great individual barrel groups, but a bit more experiemtning is due to move them together. Great fun!
Bob
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Nice rifle but I hope that when you next time do such a rifle, please use any other scope mounts than picatinny. IMHO they do not fit yours rifles classic style... 
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Your load is shooting wide. If it is maximum, you won't bring it together with that bullet and powder combination. Looks like it's asking for less lead.
Nice rifle and a great project! It makes me want one.
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Bob,
Nice little rifle. What brand was the original .410?
Also what does the rifle weigh?
Its a little beauty.
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Quote:
One possibility with .410's is to rifle one choke or have one choke rifled in a full choked double. The other full choke should be opened to an improved or improved cylinder choke, to improve the patterns. A true full choke, ie: .040" constriction, is too much for such a small bore with such a long shot column.
Presumably the rifle barrel for use with slugs? I have always wondered, what one shoots with a .410 slug? ie what sort of game?
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Depending on the amount of twist, what I had in mind was a 250 to 300gr. bullet, driven by a full case of 3F. This would give close to the same power as say, a .40/82 Winchester on the lighter end, or .40/90 Sharps loaded with slightly lighterthan typical bullets.
Omnivorous Bob - do the heaveri lods spread them more or bring them in? The elevation is GREAT!
Of course, there are cast and jacketed bullets well over 100gr. that will work - form 60gr. to 120gr. I fully expect it will be an absolute delight by the time you are finished.
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Omnivorous_Bob
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Daryl, I've got a few hundred various 75 grain bullets on hand to play with, but plan to try 60 gn flat points, 70gn blitzkings, and a few types of 86 grainers w/light charges. Ellis regulated it for 75 grain speer flat points with 12.0 grains of AA1680 for 1950fps. This is 0.5 grains below max, which I figured would give me more flexibility to adjust charges both up and down if I decided to use a new bullet if the speers get discontinued at some point. Since this is primarily a fun gun/plinker along with something to shoot the occasional rabbit or fox, I'm not too particular. I also plan to use this to teach my son rifle and shotgun shooting when he's older.
John, the gun weighs about 7lb (scoped w/rifle barrels) and was made by Fausti for import into the US by Traditions as a fairly simple but well made gun. The 410 SxSs that I looked at for this combo project all seemed to be either $75-100 economy guns or many thousands of dollars with almost nothing in between. I think these retailed in the US for around $900-1000 but I got a nice deal on this second hand in new condition.
Bob
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