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Jase
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Calibre's for Leopards
#20374 - 02/11/04 07:11 PM

Whats the minimum calibre you would recommend for leopard?.....I am planning my dream hunt for a few years from now and would like to sort out my rifle choice so as to get many years of practice on local game first...

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Marrakai
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Jase]
#20380 - 02/11/04 09:34 PM

Never hunted leopard, but from what I've read the industry seems to recommend 7mm Rem Mag through .300 Win Mag. Maybe up to the .375 on a one-gun safari.

Of far greater importance is the scope. Leopard are usually taken at last light, so high quality optics are far more crucial than calibre.

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shakari
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Marrakai]
#20396 - 03/11/04 04:11 AM

Any .30 calibre (ish) will be fine for a Leopard, but the most important thing is to use the correct bullet design. I'd recommend Winchester silvertip in 180 grain or if you can't get those you should look for another fast expanding bullet. Another good choice would be one of the Stewart bullets.

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GeorgeS
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Jase]
#20402 - 03/11/04 09:50 AM

.30-06 or its equivalent on up through .375H&H. You cannot kill a leopard too well.

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Will
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Jase]
#20404 - 03/11/04 10:11 AM

.375 H&H, with 300 gr. Nosler Partitions, or preferrably 300 gr. Swift A-Frames for the possible raking shot.

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NitroX
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Jase]
#20454 - 04/11/04 04:44 PM

Jase

You are aware you can not import a leopard trophy back into Australia?

Wouldn't stop me hunting them though, if given a chance.

I would use my .375 over my .30-06 but would use either if needed. Haven't shot a leopard but have tracked them a couple of times when the trackers have found fresh tracks. When plains game hunting. I always get a feeling before they find the leopard tracks which is funny. Get that feeling sometimes without any tracks being spotted but so far always when they are.

Lion trophies can be imported with the appropriate CITES documentation, so maybe you will need that .375 sooner(?)

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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Jase]
#20609 - 08/11/04 03:57 AM

Any 30 caliber on up, with a quick expanding bullet like the Nosler Partition or even the Ballistic Tip. Most P.H.s I've spoken with don't like a controlled expansion, solidly constructed bullet along the lines of the A-Frames. They prefer a bullet that is going to generate maximum shock on the spotted kitty. Also, a scope that has excellent light gathering ability is a pre-requisite!

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Safarischorsch
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Jase]
#20773 - 10/11/04 08:49 PM

8x68S 196 gr. CDP-bullet should work fine.
8x68S with Partitions or Brenneke TOG should do that job too.

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NE450No2
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Jase]
#20804 - 11/11/04 12:23 PM

I hunted leopard this June in Zim [ I did not get a shot at one

] with what I think is the best all round rifle for lion, leopard or black bear over bait. I used my Chapuis 9,3x74R double with a 1.5x6 Swarovski, illuminated circle dot reticle. I have taken quite a bit of game with this rifle and recommend it highly.

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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Jase]
#20832 - 12/11/04 03:06 AM

I'd hunted leopards with a 22-250, a 7 mm RM and a .416 Rem. Sure the 22-250 is too small and the effect with the two other was identical.
As others said before, any .30 plus is enough.

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atkinson6
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: 470Nitro]
#22805 - 29/12/04 11:28 AM

In most cases a 9.3 or 375 is minimum legal, so that settles that. they certainly work...

As to the perfect Leopard caliber, I would opt for a .270 with a 130 gr. Nosler or a 30-06 with a 150 gr. Nosler...Any good deer caliber is a Leopard rifle.....The Leopard is a pretty fragil animal with small bones and thin skin, thus light fast bullets tend to kill them very quickly, but wounded be becomes a thrashing machine.

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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: atkinson6]
#22895 - 31/12/04 05:05 AM

It's always a pleasure to hear the replys of those that have "been there and done that"...bearing in mind that it's been said that Will uses sixteen pound fly swatters in his home in Kansas.

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Spring
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: atkinson6]
#22896 - 31/12/04 05:20 AM

Ray,
If "a 375 is minimum legal", under what curcumstances would you be able to use the .270 that you mentioned?

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Will
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Spring]
#22937 - 31/12/04 09:39 AM

Not to put words in Ray's mouth, but if one was ona plainsgame and leopard hunt, and just happen to have the plaingame rifle (.270) in the blind, who's to know.

On the other hand, I give little faith in using little guns. The fact that little guns can kill leopards is true without doubt, but better to be sure. If a broadside shot happens to turn into a rearend shot on a fleeing leopard, as the trigger lets go, better to have the .375.

Last I checked the trophy fee for leopard was pretty steep. I don't want to pull a "Corbett" and shoot and wound cats with a puny 7x57 or anything else in that class.

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4seventy
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: Will]
#22939 - 31/12/04 09:51 AM

In reply to:

On the other hand, I give little faith in using little guns. The fact that little guns can kill leopards is true without doubt, but better to be sure. If a broadside shot happens to turn into a rearend shot on a fleeing leopard, as the trigger lets go, better to have the .375.

True enough!
It is the same with a lot of hunting.
You never really know what sort of situation might develop and I like to be gunned for the "worst" rather than the "ideal" hunting conditions.
Never hunted leopard though.

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NitroX
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: atkinson6]
#22954 - 31/12/04 11:54 AM

In reply to:

In most cases a 9.3 or 375 is minimum legal, so that settles that. they certainly work...

Ray

I thought the minimum for leopard is usually around the .270 and 7mmm mark?

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luv2safari
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: atkinson6]
#22993 - 31/12/04 05:44 PM

Ray,

How about a drilling in 9.3x74R and two barrels of 00 Buck?

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NE450No2
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: luv2safari]
#23009 - 31/12/04 11:23 PM

luv2safari
If your drilling has a good scope I think you drilling would be a good choice. I would put 00 buck in the right SGN bbl and whatever Slug shot best in the left, but that is just me. I would remove the scope if a follow up into brush was necessary.

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NitroX
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: NE450No2]
#23024 - 01/01/05 12:27 AM

I was reading Heminway where he suggested using small bird shot in his side by side shotgun for leopard follow-up.

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luv2safari
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: NitroX]
#23067 - 01/01/05 08:06 AM

Nitro,

It is obvoius to anyone with half a brain that Hemingway was right!

You shoot a whole shit-full of birds in front of the charging leopard, so he'll stop to eat, thus giving you the opportunity to sneak away...this only works for those of us with half a brain, however.

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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: NitroX]
#23075 - 01/01/05 12:34 PM

If it was "True at First Light" then it was a pump. "Ngui had been loading the Winchester 12-guage pump with SSG, which is buckshot in English. We had never shot anything with SSG and I did not want any jams so I tripped the ejector and filled it with No. 8 birdshot cartridges fresh out of the box and filled my pockets with the rest of the cartidges. At close range a charge of fine shot from a full-choked shotgun is as solid as a ball and I remember seeing the effect on a human body with the small hole blue black around the edge on the back of the leather jacket and all the load inside the chest."

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luv2safari
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: NE450No2]
#23078 - 01/01/05 01:07 PM

No. 2,

A 12/12x9,3x74R with a 3x12x56 Docter Optics in claws. I think it was about ideal as a leopard gun.

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NitroX
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: AdamTayler]
#23083 - 01/01/05 02:03 PM

Adam

Yes that was it.

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cr500
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Re: Calibre's for Leopards [Re: NitroX]
#23442 - 04/01/05 11:16 AM

NitroX. What is the deal with not being able to import Leopard trophies? Is their and paperwork or anything you can get to allow it? My first hunting trip to Africa was going to be namibia and the only dangerous game was to be Leopard? Cant we bring the trophy in to OZ?

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