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gryphon
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Croc hunting back on the agenda
#202204 - 11/02/12 03:59 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-11/controversy-over-croc-safari-hunting-plan/3824746

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375Brno
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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: gryphon]
#202211 - 11/02/12 06:09 PM

How long do you reckon it will be before we hear from Terri Irwin on this one!!
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Paul
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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: 375Brno]
#202212 - 11/02/12 06:39 PM

Yes, and I must remember never to give a donation the the RSPCA. The antis love the idea of consigning all animal-control to 'trained professionals'. If they knew the kind of people who are skilled in unsporting forms of hunting and most likely to get the jobs, they might not be so enthusiastic.

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tophet1
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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: Paul]
#202215 - 11/02/12 07:37 PM

Last time this was mentioned (elsewhere), one local hunting 'professional' mentioned a trophy fee of $15K.

I could buy a 12' tinnie and an old cut down .303 for less than that.

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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: tophet1]
#202217 - 11/02/12 09:09 PM

Permits for saltwater croc hunting should be allocated on a public tag and lottery system. With winners able to arrange or buy access with landowners, outfitters. Aboriginals with any that are interested.

This concept to provide tags only to wealthy bigwigs is Australian in my opinion.

Outfitters could easily offer safaris and access to lottery winners.

Providing access to foreigners could easily be done by insisting they use an outfitter, as is done in 99% of other countries.

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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: tophet1]
#202255 - 12/02/12 05:18 AM

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Last time this was mentioned (elsewhere), one local hunting 'professional' mentioned a trophy fee of $15K.

I could buy a 12' tinnie and an old cut down .303 for less than that.

Now comon, you know Dundee only used that for 'fishing'.

Von Gruff.

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Homer
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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: VonGruff]
#202298 - 12/02/12 04:29 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Good to hear about the possibility and not before bloody time!!!

Double Doh!!
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500Nitro
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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: Homer]
#202302 - 12/02/12 04:47 PM

In the NT News the other day their was an article saying Safari hunting was already going ahead, the only think was the "hunter" from OS could not shoot the croc but do everything else, including trapping.

In the article, it mentioned that Terry Irwin was agitating that Croc farms be closed down.

Now, I thought isn't that interesting that Terri Irwin wants Croc farms closed down but is quite happy to lock up Crocs and other animals to earn money from them.

Hypocrisy at best IMHO.

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Homer
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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: 500Nitro]
#202311 - 12/02/12 08:48 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Terry Irwin is just as big a wanker and as you say 500 hypocrite, as the dick head she WAS married to!

I can already see the News Paper Headlines; "Bindi Irwin's Love Child" or "Secret Drug Habit" or any of a dozen other things. I really do feel for those children, having drongo's (now, a drongo) for parents, can't be good for them?

Double Doh!!
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500Nitro
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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: Homer]
#202315 - 12/02/12 09:16 PM

Homer

I believe she was actually the brains behind the business and the money making side. He just liked to jump around the bush until she came along and put everything on a commercial footing - or rake the money in depending on how you look at it !!!

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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: 500Nitro]
#202316 - 12/02/12 09:49 PM

Steve was the meal ticket. He had the charisma their credit was built was. Finance was withdrawn once he died and there was a lot of legal manouvering in Melbourne (half the reason his Dad took off to start again) once she got her hooks into the company/s. She headed straight onto the talk back show circuit in the US to generate cash flow as she was un-marketable back here.

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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: tophet1]
#202319 - 12/02/12 10:23 PM

Here's hoping it happens at least in a limited form to start. Then expands to a proper sustainable volume.

600 + crocs are taken out of the Territory each year with CITES permits. No reason we couldn't have up to that number being taken by hunters if the fees to the landowner exceeds live capture for croc farms.

There is NO DOUBT the wild population can EASILY sustain that level of activity, as it has every year already.

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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: NitroX]
#202320 - 12/02/12 10:34 PM

Agree John

The wild population really has got to that level now where it really is starting to epand into areas they havent normally been - inland - fresh water croc areas.

just last week they pulled a 3 - 4 mtr croc that had come out of a dam and hissed at the couple who owned the place (I believe). This was a lady who's 9 year old was killed by a Croc 2 years ago in another area.

I see it every time I go up NT, where they are having to pull them out from - admittedly, the extremely wet, wet seasons / floods have helped in spreading them far and wide.

The only thing holding back hunters from shooting them is perception. Not all are live captured, they still get killed every year by station owners.

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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: NitroX]
#202363 - 13/02/12 07:59 AM

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Permits for saltwater croc hunting should be allocated on a public tag and lottery system. With winners able to arrange or buy access with landowners, outfitters. Aboriginals with any that are interested.

This concept to provide tags only to wealthy bigwigs is Australian in my opinion.

Outfitters could easily offer safaris and access to lottery winners.

Providing access to foreigners could easily be done by insisting they use an outfitter, as is done in 99% of other countries.

Regardless how the arrangements are made, the permits will be sold to the highest bidder (as a rule). Landowners will be looking to cash in on 'their' crocdiles. Public tag or lottery system will never fly in the short-term .... but if the proposal does get-up and the trial succeeds, hopefully down the track a public ballot could be aranged - but that would work better on public land, where there are less competing interests.

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NitroX
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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: Matt_Graham]
#202383 - 13/02/12 02:11 PM

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Quote:

Permits for saltwater croc hunting should be allocated on a public tag and lottery system. With winners able to arrange or buy access with landowners, outfitters. Aboriginals with any that are interested.

This concept to provide tags only to wealthy bigwigs is Australian in my opinion.

Outfitters could easily offer safaris and access to lottery winners.

Providing access to foreigners could easily be done by insisting they use an outfitter, as is done in 99% of other countries.

Regardless how the arrangements are made, the permits will be sold to the highest bidder (as a rule). Landowners will be looking to cash in on 'their' crocdiles. Public tag or lottery system will never fly in the short-term .... but if the proposal does get-up and the trial succeeds, hopefully down the track a public ballot could be aranged - but that would work better on public land, where there are less competing interests.

Australian native game should not "belong" to the landowner, whether Aboriginal or white. Kangaroos on my land don't belong to me, why should Blackfellas be regarded as "owning" crocodiles on their land. The usual black racism that exists in Australia ie extra benefits or rights to some based on race.

Native game doesn't belong to the landowner already in Australia, so we should be looking to the US system of native game being available for everyone equally or where scarce by a tag/lottery system.

And not to the, hunting only for the rich attitude like in Africa, where the locals have to "poach" to hunt.

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Re: Croc hunting back on the agenda [Re: NitroX]
#202423 - 13/02/12 11:21 PM

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Australian native game should not "belong" to the landowner, whether Aboriginal or white. Kangaroos on my land don't belong to me, why should Blackfellas be regarded as "owning" crocodiles on their land. The usual black racism that exists in Australia ie extra benefits or rights to some based on race.

Native game doesn't belong to the landowner already in Australia, so we should be looking to the US system of native game being available for everyone equally or where scarce by a tag/lottery system.

And not to the, hunting only for the rich attitude like in Africa, where the locals have to "poach" to hunt.

I thought you would understand the 'their' bit.... obviously they do not own the animals - but in the case of both the black and white landowners here they would see them as their own to some extent in that they are located on their property. With the station owners they may be located there in large numbers to the landowners detriment. Access to most other hunting of native wildlife on private land is governed by the landowner themself - so the crocodile would not be an exception.

The US ballot system generally only applies to public land and that is where I see the future for public balloted hunting hunting here (for crocodiles anyhow). If it ever happens at all.

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