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Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please
      #192623 - 27/10/11 11:46 AM

Anybody know anything about these guns?

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: 9.3x57]
      #192631 - 27/10/11 03:10 PM

Sounds like a rebranding of the Valmet series.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: kamilaroi]
      #192632 - 27/10/11 04:14 PM

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Sounds like a rebranding of the Valmet series.




Does sound like it but a better Finish ( Pun Intended )

http://www.marocchiarms.com/index.php?menu=55&sprache=0&product_id=15

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #192649 - 27/10/11 11:09 PM

Thanks fellows.

Yes, it is the "progress" of the system from Valmet {Finland} to production in Italy. They are no longer made in Finland.

What I'm really after is observations of funtion, reliability, sturdiness, etc, from anyone {anyone??} who has actually used these guns. I've read about them but cannot find anybody who has actually used them or has experience with them. They look identical to the old Valmet 412 series guns as the design is virtually identical.

But, as we all know...looks may deceive...

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: 9.3x57]
      #192651 - 27/10/11 11:37 PM

They started with the Valmet (412 I believe?) then the Tikka (mine is a 512) and finally the Finnclassic.

The barrel sets of all are interchangeable but may need some minor gunsmith adjusting. The instructions are here on NE.

I have a Tikka 512 SD in 9.3x74R/9.3x74R and 12g/12g. I have used both quite a bit.

Reasonably happy with them. The DR sets have a couple of wedges allowing self-regulation which wasn't hard. My 9.3 was VERY accurate, two one hole groups of 2 shots from each barrel. Impact was parallel to each other as I set it up to be.

I had one problem where on one hunt, when test shooting them, the regulation no longer seem accurate. In Namibia. Back home, re-tested if I remember they weren't bad again. ???

I also have a couple of combination barrels of 12g/rifle barrel plus another DR set. These need fitting still.

I purchased some sets of rubber "spacers" for insertion between the barrels. Haven't shot them since fitting these to see if they had any affect yet. Also a twin trigger set to replace the single trigger, still to be fitted. Plus some extra mounts.

For the prices I paid, not a bad system of multiple barrels and very usuable. Mine has killed a fair number of water buffalo, donkeys, scrub bulls, horses, pigs, deer and warthog. So far.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: NitroX]
      #192655 - 28/10/11 12:00 AM

Thanks very much John.

IIRC your Tikka 512 is also built by Marocchi, is that correct, or is it Finn-made?

As I understand it, all 512's are Italian-built.

Action seems strong and sturdy, yes?

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: 9.3x57]
      #192657 - 28/10/11 12:08 AM

Action is quite different but seems and is reputed to be quite solid. Unless someone wants to correct me?

One quirk I DO NOT LIKE. The forend has come loose a couple of times when shooting.

I will have a look at the gun tomorrow or the weekend to see whom made what.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: NitroX]
      #192745 - 29/10/11 12:12 PM

Have not seen the FinnClassic but have owned several Valmets, one salesmans set with 4 barrel sets in one case. They all shot perfectly with almost any load. The shotgun barrels worked fine and I took lots of birds in Zimbabwe with them. Bought a set of the rubber inserts to use as barrel fillers and they did not affect the barrels at all. I see the Finn Classic has fillers/ribs and makes for a much nicer looking gun. All in all I am very favorably pleased with them.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: zimhunter]
      #192748 - 29/10/11 12:43 PM

Thanks very much Zimhunter.

Are yours 412 or 412S guns?

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: 9.3x57]
      #192874 - 01/11/11 02:02 PM

412 Finnish production guns. Single trigger open barrels. They do have heavy stocks and are not the best balanced rifles I have owned.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: 9.3x57]
      #192876 - 01/11/11 02:19 PM

Quote:


IIRC your Tikka 512 is also built by Marocchi, is that correct, or is it Finn-made?

As I understand it, all 512's are Italian-built.





My 12g U/O and 9.3x74R DB and action are Italian made. Some of the other barrels sets are Finnish made.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: NitroX]
      #192903 - 02/11/11 03:46 AM

Thanks John.

What is the attachment of the forestock like? Can the loosening problem be solved or is it somehow inherent to the design?

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: NitroX]
      #196313 - 10/12/11 08:38 PM

Hello Nitox

I not long put up a post about getting an extra barrel set for my Valmet 412 (currently 12g and .222Rem)
I was given a link to this thread and see you have several such barrels.
First what does the S signify? Mine is not an S, but has double triggers does the S signify single trigger by any chance?

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: tacker]
      #196324 - 11/12/11 12:42 AM

web page

Tikka 512SD with U/O 9.3x74R barrels and a set of 12 gauge barrels with exchangeable chokes.

Nightforce scope 1-4 1/2 x illuminated scope.










A 1x scope is great for quick shooting in brush or at close range with both eyes open.



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I not long put up a post about getting an extra barrel set for my Valmet 412 (currently 12g and .222Rem)
I was given a link to this thread and see you have several such barrels.
First what does the S signify? Mine is not an S, but has double triggers does the S signify single trigger by any chance?

tacker





Don't know what the "S" stands for. That was the model from memory and I think it is correct. I am not familiar with all the model numbers types etc.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: NitroX]
      #196343 - 11/12/11 02:16 AM

I THINK they added the S when the manufacture shifted from Finland to Italy.

Nitro; How do you like the Nightforce scope?

Orofino {where they are made} is the nearest town to where my son will be living. He is graduating from university today with a degree in Forest Products/Operations and a minor in Fire Ecology and Forest Resources. One of the Foresters that worked for the same company he will be working for now works for Nightforce.

Small world?

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: 9.3x57]
      #196518 - 12/12/11 07:17 PM

Hi John / Tacker,

I spoke at length today with 'Nick' of Trophy Arms (03 9379 4616) who are the Australian Importer / Distributor of these firearms and is of the belief that the barrels as mentioned 'Should' fit and said that he has a client who owns an earlier version bringing it in to trial fit it.

They are not badly priced with the 'SD' model in Double Rifle coming in at $2850 with an additional Double Rifle barrel costing another $1495 or the Shotgun barrel costing about $1000 and the Rifle / Shotgun combination barrel costing about $1300 additional.

There is another shipment due in February and if anyone wants something specific by paying a Deposit and placing the order by Christmas, will / should go with this February order.

I hope to have some more info once I receive the full catalog but it is Christmas mail time.

Cheers for now,

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #196522 - 12/12/11 08:11 PM

Thanks gents

I plan on taking my Valmet down to the boys at Trophy arms to try a set of barrels in the next few days.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: tacker]
      #196527 - 12/12/11 08:31 PM

Hi Tacker, It may have been you that 'Nick' was talking about....

Hi John,

This may not be a Paradox BUT....

Quote.:

Barrels
Shotgun barrels: These barrels are manufactured using high elastic steel with a limit of more than 850 mm and closer to 1000 N/mm2. Result: FinnClassic barrels are as strong and safe as science can make them.
All barrels are safe for shooting with steel. Guns ar subjected to Steel proof test (made by the Italian National Proof House) on special request and at additional cost.

Rifled barrels: in order to provide best accuracy Lothar Walther from Germany is contracted to machine the rifling. We machine the external profile and complete the monobloc barrel assembly. End Quote.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #196542 - 12/12/11 10:05 PM

Seems like a good system, a great deal for the money, best

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #196610 - 13/12/11 07:38 PM

This 'Link' give a bit of history of the system.:

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=9144

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: 9.3x57]
      #196631 - 13/12/11 11:01 PM

Quote:

I THINK they added the S when the manufacture shifted from Finland to Italy.

Nitro; How do you like the Nightforce scope?

Orofino {where they are made} is the nearest town to where my son will be living. He is graduating from university today with a degree in Forest Products/Operations and a minor in Fire Ecology and Forest Resources. One of the Foresters that worked for the same company he will be working for now works for Nightforce.

Small world?




Lightforce the company has its headquarters in Adelaide nearby, having been formed by a Dentist or Doctor based on the Yorke or Eyre Peninsula in SA.

I have not used the Nightforce scope enough yet to have formed an opinion. I used to have a different scope on the rifle when previously using it. Only recently fitted the Nightforce scope though I have had it for a while.

I do like the true 1x magnification for close shooting with a double. Also will work I think if mounted onto a combination set of barrels with a shotgun as well.

I prefer a different reticle. I think it will work fine though and be quick at sighting.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #196632 - 13/12/11 11:03 PM

Quote:

All barrels are safe for shooting with steel. Guns ar subjected to Steel proof test (made by the Italian National Proof House) on special request and at additional cost.





I have used mine with steel shot.

But I noticed when buying accessories from Italy that there are choke tubes marked as steel shot choke tubes.

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: NitroX]
      #196633 - 13/12/11 11:09 PM

http://www.marocchiarmi.it/efinclassic.html

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Re: Marocchi-built FinnClassic 512 Series; Observations Please [Re: NitroX]
      #392516 - 19/07/25 09:05 PM

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=193704&an=&page=0&vc=1

Tikka 512SD


http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=341307&an=&page=0&vc=1

Tikka 512SD 12-bore/.223 Rem

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