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lancaster
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new mannlicher project
      #192237 - 21/10/11 06:24 AM

igorrock drive me to buy another mannlicher in an auction here. will arive next week and is a lot of work for sure.
I would say british made, anyone have seen this scope mount before? more pics from such a mount???
the caliber was specified as 7x50R what will be possible completly wrong.
ahh, years of fruitless work till it will be usable again












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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: lancaster]
      #192241 - 21/10/11 07:21 AM


Nice project!.

I would to have a commercial M1893 sportingrifle one day made by a London gunmaker.

The scopemounts will great a little challenge..:LOL

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: lancaster]
      #192510 - 26/10/11 12:36 AM

the rifle was coming and is a little surprise

here between my M 88 and my Wilkinson M 92 its a Mannlicher M 92 in 6,5x53R made in Steyr 1893, oal 109cm








have never seen this scope mount before. I did not woory about this because my gunmaker do claw mounts every week and this is more simple compared with a SEM but I wish to know how the upper parts looks.
everyone have pics???












the bolt show the rest of the original blueing.
next question: where to get a correct aperture sigth???






for and rear sight:









the mark's











maybe I have to say that the rifle cost me less than a die set for the 6,5x53R

"Shot & Sighted by Holland & Holland 98 New Bond Street London "





the bad thing about it is that some weeks ago there was also an auction with 150 like new 6,5x53R Rumänische Pirsch ( rumanian stalking rifle)cartridges made from Österreichische Jagdpatronenfabrik Ges.m.b.H. in Wien Kramsach




I see it and think very nice but you dont need it

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: lancaster]
      #192516 - 26/10/11 01:10 AM

What can I say but wow! Our friend Igor has the eyes of an eagle when it comes to obscure firearms and related goodies!

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: Bokmal]
      #192521 - 26/10/11 04:51 AM

ok, first things come in
igorrock send me a pm:
"Hello again

I think these mounts are H&H:s own model:






http://www.targetsportsmagazine.com/features/view/10331/sniping-remarks-snipers-eyes/


Holland & Holland mounts

Holland & Holland also used a side mounted set-up, but the front mount hooks into a slot and around a transverse pin (the block housing the pin is again sweated on to the barrel). The rear mount fixed to the side of the receiver uses a mortised slot with a rollover latch. The rear ring mount on the scope incorporates a dovetailed slide and a projecting hook. Engaging the front scope ring hook first before pushing the scope down into the rear mount is the method of fitting the Holland & Holland Aldis. You can achieve windage adjustment by moving the dovetailed slide in its slot by opposing flush screws each side of the slot. These screws are pushing screws. Tighten the right hand screw and it will push the scope ring to the left. Tighten one of these screws on the same side as the error if the rifle is shooting off. One complete turn is about 20" at 100 yd.





Nowadays PRECHTL makes model which looks quite same."

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: lancaster]
      #192549 - 26/10/11 06:56 PM

as kudue told me it looks that this mannlicher is also made from George Gibbs, Bristol.
the "B" prefix before the serial number seems to be a serious indication for this maker.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=167792&an=0&page=2#Post167792

front sight and rear sight are very uncommon. I take a close look to the sights and would say that base for the rear sight and base with front sight are old or original. the rear sight itself is maybe post war german and have a blueing the other parts are missing.
Axel knowing this front sight only from rook rifle's but the old Jefferey's catalog have it




if the rear base is realy the original this Gibbs mannlicher never had an express sight. Axel say it had only folding sight's when the rifle came with a additional lyman sight from Gibbs. something like that?





the hole rifle was scrub with file and sandpaper outside. heaven know's why! I have startet to polish this again.


it seems that the scope mount is an early Holland&Holland design. I did not worry about making two new feets but would like to know how the original have look. maybe I take a realy old scope model from before the great war for this rifle. will set it on the left side so the clip can be loade without problems.



patience is needed till it looks like that again, and a lyman sight also






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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: lancaster]
      #192608 - 27/10/11 04:44 AM

The cocking piece sight base appears to be for a Lyman 1A or 2A sight. They were made for Mauser, Mannlicher-Haenel, Mannlicher Schoenauer, Newton, Krag and Springfield rifles. The front sight appears to be a Lyman No.5 Combination Front Sight. I would look on Ebay or Gunbroker for parts or complete sights.

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #192626 - 27/10/11 12:35 PM

Re. Your cocking piece site, look at our 'Classic' Firearms Photos & Archive - Post by " kuduae " Cocking-piece aperture sights. Your base looks like a Parker Hale Sportarget.
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af303/kuduae/2010_01180014.jpg

Your rear site is from a Brno ZKW465 22 Hornet

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: FrankFarmer]
      #192627 - 27/10/11 01:24 PM

have found the front sight in the Holland&Holland catalog. they offer this for use with the lyman back sight and ask myself if the scope mount wasn't made sometimes later.





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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: FrankFarmer]
      #192637 - 27/10/11 08:04 PM

Quote:

Re. Your cocking piece site, look at our 'Classic' Firearms Photos & Archive - Post by " kuduae " Cocking-piece aperture sights. Your base looks like a Parker Hale Sportarget.
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af303/kuduae/2010_01180014.jpg




I disagree, this is not the remains of a Parker-Hale "Sportarget" sight. It is certainly a Lyman Nr. 1 sight, same as the one on my similar Gibbs-Mannlicher. BTW the Lyman 1A had a small additional locking lever, the Nr. 1 did not.
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af303/kuduae/2010_01180010.jpg

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: kuduae]
      #192656 - 28/10/11 12:07 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Re. Your cocking piece site, look at our 'Classic' Firearms Photos & Archive - Post by " kuduae " Cocking-piece aperture sights. Your base looks like a Parker Hale Sportarget.
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af303/kuduae/2010_01180014.jpg




I disagree, this is not the remains of a Parker-Hale "Sportarget" sight. It is certainly a Lyman Nr. 1 sight, same as the one on my similar Gibbs-Mannlicher. BTW the Lyman 1A had a small additional locking lever, the Nr. 1 did not.
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af303/kuduae/2010_01180010.jpg

You will note that the Parker Hale sight base is not dovetailed into the cocking piece. The Lyman No.1 sight base is dovetailed into the cocking piece, as is the Holland and Holland rifle in question. It is undoubtedly a Lyman sight base.

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #192663 - 28/10/11 03:04 AM

Here is another photo of the Lyman #1 peep sight on my G.Gibbs Mannlicher. You can see the nut that fits into the recess visible in Lancaster's photos.

These are the open rear sights on (front) my G.Gibbs M95 Mannlicher and (rear) G.Gibbs M1903 Mannlicher-Schoenauer:



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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: kuduae]
      #192665 - 28/10/11 04:16 AM

the lyman peep sight will be of low priority because they dont grow on tree's anymore. I understand that there will be some luck to find one. will look with one eye for an old rear sight with folding leaf's also.
period scope and new scope mount is easy to get compare with this.

the rifle's surface looks terrible, someone put cold blueing on it after rough it with sandpaper. remove this cold blueing gives terrible black dirt. I have to be very careful for not destroying the barrel inscrition .




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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: lancaster]
      #192815 - 31/10/11 03:15 PM

Lancaster, lyman used to make a lyman #36 sight which was fitted to the bolt release on the mannlicher schoenaur rifle. The bolt release on your rifle is quite similar to the one on the MS rifle. I would hazard a guess that with maybe some slight metalwork the lyman could be made to fit your rifle. However these sights have not been made in many years. Goggle Gary Fellers in texas. He has a web page listing his inventory. Who knows you just might get lucky. Hope this helps. Frank

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: FrankS]
      #192907 - 02/11/11 05:41 AM

he had a lot of stuff
http://www.garyfellers.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=8eJM9ZxtVYE%3d&tabid=1937
will send him a mail

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: lancaster]
      #193534 - 10/11/11 04:27 PM

lancaster...thats a gibbs gun regulated and sold by holland and my best guess is holland made the mount...paul

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Re: new mannlicher project [Re: lancaster]
      #193654 - 12/11/11 04:48 PM

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Does anyone know the maker/model number of a sight that looks like the above Lyman no.6 but has a open V and a regular rear sight leaf (ie like the lyman no. 16 series)? In other words it has two folding leafs, but one is a regular sight and the other an express sight.

Regards

George

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