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chapmen
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craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling
#191134 - 01/10/11 09:23 PM

Very nice made Drilling from around 1910, Blitzsystem with automatic safety. If you are a little bit in metalwork you can imagine the handwork, in an time without CNC etc. All parts high polished with exact meeting sharp edges. Signed Miller & Val. Greiss - München, eventually made in Suhl.

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Edited by CptCurl (12/10/11 10:45 AM)

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: chapmen]
#191137 - 02/10/11 12:38 AM

Beautiful pictures. It is amazing what the craftsmen of yester year were capable off. Please post a picture of the full action. Thanks for posting.

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: SAHUNT]
#191154 - 02/10/11 01:28 PM

A surgical piece of art.

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: kamilaroi]
#191164 - 02/10/11 06:43 PM

if our future digital generations will notice this some day they would not believe this was made from a man with a file

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: lancaster]
#191166 - 02/10/11 06:48 PM

Its such a joy to see this. It only adds fuel to why I have a great passion for these old guns, and why I disregard modern day factory made guns in general.

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: rigbymauser]
#191202 - 03/10/11 12:24 PM

chapmen,

It's a beautiful work of art for sure. I second SAHUNT's request for additional pictures of the action and ask if you could show a view or two of any marks/stamps that could possibly lead us to knowing who the action maker was. Thank you very much for posting.

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: Buchsemann]
#191219 - 03/10/11 11:49 PM

So here some more pics.
Basic rifle is signed Miller&Val.Greiss München, 16-65/16-65/9,3x72R, nitro proofed shotgun barrels, the 9,3 barrel is proofed with blackpowder and has deep lead grooves.Proofed 1908 in Zella Mehlis. Mounted is an Zeiss Diatal 4x32.
Second barrel is made by Max Möller Zella Mehlis, 16-70/16-70/6,5x58R (Sauer&Sohn), nitroproofed August 1941 in ZM. Mounted is an Kahles Wien 4x. For this barrel there is also an .22 insert barrel passed in the right shotgun barrel, made by Krieghoff.

Maker is so far not known, see my thread:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=188218&an=0&page=0#Post188218

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Edited by CptCurl (12/10/11 10:46 AM)

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: chapmen]
#191221 - 04/10/11 01:54 AM

chapmen,

I'm sorry; I didn't recognize this post as being related to your earlier post. You hit a couple of the right people for a response by having both Raimey and Axel respond. Your previous posting of the barrel and action stamps tell a great deal of the gun but the "TH" or "MH"(?) stamp appears to still be a mystery. That is quite a nice drilling that you have and I look forward to seeing the completion of your restoration project. I suppose now that I've seen (again) your other pictures I could wait for others once your project is completed but ... by chance do you have one of what appears to be the flip-up diopter (tang sight) in the up position? It is unusual as compared to most.

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Buchseman

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: Buchsemann]
#191224 - 04/10/11 02:17 AM

here you are:

also there is an automatic rear sight if you switch to the bullet barrel, the flip up tang sight can only get up if the barrel switch is on bullet barrel.

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Edited by CptCurl (12/10/11 10:46 AM)

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: chapmen]
#191226 - 04/10/11 02:36 AM

Very nice, thank you.

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: Buchsemann]
#193381 - 08/11/11 08:24 PM

It looks like a modified standard system. I can´t say anything about where the drilling was build. Miller was one of the largest Guntraders in these times. I think Collath worked for him. Maybe I can ask my boss, Mr. Retz sr.. He´s 81 years now, I think he knows something about this.

For more questions about German guns buildet from 1890-1940, please ask. We´re spezialized in rebuilding finest systems like the original Nimrod from Thieme&Schlegelmilch or the Sauer Stabillock.

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: frankdhc]
#193397 - 08/11/11 11:42 PM

its a very nice aquisition chapman, must be a joy to own

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: lancaster]
#193413 - 09/11/11 06:02 AM

Fantastic to have this look inside your drilling. Great pictures and great craftmanship. You are a lucky man!!! /Staffan

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: Sville]
#193418 - 09/11/11 07:48 AM

Absolutely beautiful.

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Re: craftsmenship from around 1910- inside of an Drilling [Re: AFRO408]
#193697 - 13/11/11 02:06 PM

Chapman
That is certainly a once in a lifetime drilling. Wonderful caliber and the layout of the controls. Nice to see something like that with the selector covering the diopter and the tang safety. I didn't notice, what does it weigh?

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if our future digital generations will notice this some day they would not believe this was made from a man with a file

Lancaster, those words couldn't be more true. Hehe.

Tom

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