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underlever
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Colonial 9x57
      #190637 - 24/09/11 08:49 PM

Well I got very lucky again recently and have added this beauty to the gang. Proof marks show that it started life as a 8x57 but during its life has been re-cut to 9 mm. The Mauser serial number shows it was made in 1909 and this ties in with the proof marks which are the ones that ran to 1912. The maker, as cut on barrel, is Adolf Loesche, Magdeburg H Suhl. It is in wonderful condition with just a bit of pitting under the wood line.
The colonial link is the icing on this cake though. The small shield set into the butt, if the traslation I used is correct, reads " District Office, Misahohe, No 2 ". Misahohe is about 110 km inland from the coast in the former German colony of Togoland, West Africa. From what I can find out, it was annexed by Germany in 1884 and lost to British and French forces on the 6th Aug. 1914 at the very start of WW1. At this time there were no German military personnel in Togoland and only the police force which consisted on a Commander, deputy commander, 10 German sergeants, 1 native sergeant and 660 Togolese policemen deployed throghout the country.
I would like to think that this rifle is of high enough quality that it wouldn't been issued to native troops so that leaves it to one of the other 12 German personnel. Probably not right but I sure like the sound of it.
Don't know how it shoots yet but that pleasure is not too far in the future.
Regards,
Ron.















Edited by CptCurl (27/11/11 12:31 AM)

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: underlever]
      #190639 - 24/09/11 09:14 PM

Hi Ron,

Very nice rifle. I'm with you, it is too nice to have been issued to anybody. Somebody spent his hard-earned dough to have this fine sporting arm built. I hope you enjoy it.

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: Tatume]
      #190649 - 25/09/11 02:22 AM

Nice hunting rifle - enjoy it.

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: DarylS]
      #190660 - 25/09/11 04:50 AM

Ich beschlagnahme dieses Gewehr, SOFORT

no, you did very, very well

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #190673 - 25/09/11 08:58 AM

What a find.

Great caliber, too.

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #190705 - 25/09/11 11:31 PM

Real, real interesting piece of history, especially the story behind Misahöhe. How it cames to you?

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: chapmen]
      #190791 - 26/09/11 07:19 PM


G'day chapman,

I got this rifle from a very good friend and it must be at least 10 years since the first time he showed it to me. He saved it from a chap a long time ago who was just about to fit a set of scope mounts [ proof to me there is no God ] when my mate asked why was he going to put a scope on it ? " To make it sell better " was his answer !! My friend said he would pay him his asking price without the scope mounted and so saved this piece of history.

How it came to Oz I have no idea but it wouldn't surprise me if a returning soldier had something to do with it. Next time I'm visiting with my mate I'll see if he knows more.

I have a John Hayton [ Grahamstown, South Africa, c.1850-c.1873 ] two groove double muzzleloading Cape Rifle that I know was bought home by an Australian soldier after the Boer War so they were definitely bringing home some souvenirs. Maybe should put a few pics of it up one day.

Ron.

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: underlever]
      #190805 - 26/09/11 11:17 PM

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G'day chapman,

I got this rifle from a very good friend and it must be at least 10 years since the first time he showed it to me. He saved it from a chap a long time ago who was just about to fit a set of scope mounts [ proof to me there is no God ].



dont forget god rescue this in the end using your friend as his tool

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #190815 - 27/09/11 01:35 AM

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G'day chapman,

I got this rifle from a very good friend and it must be at least 10 years since the first time he showed it to me. He saved it from a chap a long time ago who was just about to fit a set of scope mounts [ proof to me there is no God ].



dont forget god rescue this in the end using your friend as his tool



Indeed, proof to me that their IS a God!

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #190844 - 27/09/11 04:13 PM


Its a beautiful rifle. That is a collectorpiece I would just leave as it is.
Btw.Paul Kruger only trusted God and the Mauser:LOL

Congratulation Underlever. Nice gun you have.

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: underlever]
      #190871 - 28/09/11 03:19 AM

Absolutely beautiful! Congratulations! She seems extremely well cared for over the years - fate must have kept her waiting for you!

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #198319 - 01/01/12 02:03 PM

I was very lucky in obtaining this rifle, but the other week I at last had the chance to drop in and catch up with the chap I got it from . The deal for the rifle had been done over the phone [ it had been on loan to me ]and he said that there were a few things that went with the deal.

Besides dies, unprimed brass, loading clips [stainless steel & brass construction ]and Hornady 250 gr projectiles, there was also this "old stuff " as he put it. It all added up to a shoe box full.

I thought the "old stuff " might be of interest. The Remington loads I haven't ever seen before. I've seen plenty of soft point bullets, but these take the top prize.
Regards,
Ron.







The two projectiles on the Kynock lid are Kynock left ( .356 dia. ), Hornady 250gr right ( .357 dia ).

Edited by CptCurl (03/01/12 07:52 AM)

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: underlever]
      #198377 - 02/01/12 01:55 AM

very nice bullet box, I hope you will not load this
we had this mauser -mannlicher crossbred before
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=192301&an=0&page=0#Post192301



not a bad idea in my eys and if I get a 9x56 Mannlicher Schönauer some day I would try to load a cartridge that will work in my 9x57 M 88 sporter also

btw, this is the sound treck for your rifle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzPOUy8wdM

stop at 2.17 there is a postcard from Regierungsstation Misahöhe if I read it correctly

Heia Safari

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: underlever]
      #198387 - 02/01/12 03:34 AM

A wonderful acquisition, but I wonder if anyone has an explanation for the letter "s" being reversed both times it was used on the shield inletted into the stock. There is an obvious distinction between a "z" and an "s" in the inscription. Would this have been the work of a native craftsman who distinguished between an "s" and a "z" only in the curved shape of the former?

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: xausa]
      #198405 - 02/01/12 10:13 AM

Common moniker of those loads with huge lead noses, the Kynocks included, was Blue Nose. Normally quite fast expanding.

I also have 2 boxes of the Kynoch 9x57 factory ammo. TGhey are intriguing and I think I'll have to buy a M98 9x57 to keep my Husky M94 9.3x57, company.

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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: underlever]
      #198423 - 02/01/12 01:16 PM

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G'day chapman,

I got this rifle from a very good friend and it must be at least 10 years since the first time he showed it to me. He saved it from a chap a long time ago who was just about to fit a set of scope mounts [ proof to me there is no God ] when my mate asked why was he going to put a scope on it ? " To make it sell better " was his answer !! My friend said he would pay him his asking price without the scope mounted and so saved this piece of history.

How it came to Oz I have no idea but it wouldn't surprise me if a returning soldier had something to do with it. Next time I'm visiting with my mate I'll see if he knows more.



Good find on the 9mm and a lovely old rifle with an intriguing history. With the accessories also along with it, unless bought here, I would guess it didn't come with a returned soldier. Maybe the original owner emigrated here and it was sold by him or his estate? If all the accessories and ammo were purchased here, then it could be a returned soldier as well. Probably will never know.

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I have a John Hayton [ Grahamstown, South Africa, c.1850-c.1873 ] two groove double muzzleloading Cape Rifle that I know was bought home by an Australian soldier after the Boer War so they were definitely bringing home some souvenirs. Maybe should put a few pics of it up one day.

Ron.



Ron

Yes please. Post the photos if you haven't already.

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Story
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Re: Colonial 9x57 [Re: underlever]
      #199207 - 12/01/12 05:19 AM

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" District Office, Misahohe, No 2 ". Misahohe is about 110 km inland from the coast in the former German colony of Togoland, West Africa. From what I can find out, it was annexed by Germany in 1884 and lost to British and French forces on the 6th Aug. 1914 at the very start of WW1. At this time there were no German military personnel in Togoland and only the police force which consisted on a Commander, deputy commander, 10 German sergeants, 1 native sergeant and 660 Togolese policemen deployed throghout the country.
I would like to think that this rifle is of high enough quality that it wouldn't been issued to native troops so that leaves it to one of the other 12 German personnel. Probably not right but I sure like the sound of it.



Germany's African Askari (native police) were generally armed with M71 or M84 rifles in 11mm Mauser (until they started capturing sufficient supplies of .303 rifles and ammunition), later in the war while led by Von Lettow.

Togoland's acting governor in 1914, Major von Doering, was accused by the British of using 'soft point' ammunition. His defense was basically that the rounds were private-purchase and there's nothing he could have done about it. Seems to me that your rifle would fit that bill.

Read more here -

http://books.google.com/books?id=3sAOAQA...;sa=X&ei=1M

Page 27, first paragraph

The Europeans appeared to have used sporting rifles almost without exception, with hollow-nosed, lead-nosed, and other types of nickel-covered bullets of the worst possible kind.

A personally-owned rifle wouldn't have a Police property-inventory tag (if that's what it is). If it was police-issue, it may have been the weapon issued to the NCOIC of Togoland's Police Station #2 (wherever that might have been). The " District Office, Misahohe, No 2 " marking may be a Registration Number for a civilian weapon, similar to what was demanded of Commonwealth firearms owners at the same time.

In Togoland there were no German army Schutztruppe units but there were believed to be 800 armed police and 200 or more German civilians who had received some military training.
http://www.kaiserscross.com/188001/300143.html


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