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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #369773 - 02/10/22 10:49 PM

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whats interesting about this the 3 feet or Mannlicher Schönauer claw mount is in this case a 4 feet mount with two claws on the rear feet - never see this before






My 1922 proofed M1910 Take Down Model wears a Gerard 'B' scope on claw mounts with two 'feet' in front, two at rear. It was on the cased MS when Grand Dad bought it second hand at Colombo, Ceylon, 1930 or 31.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #369853 - 05/10/22 06:11 AM

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whats interesting about this the 3 feet or Mannlicher Schönauer claw mount is in this case a 4 feet mount with two claws on the rear feet - never see this before


I have a book "German snipers 1914-45" written by Peter R. Senich. There is some photos where is quite similar mounts.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Igorrock]
      #369951 - 07/10/22 08:37 AM

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whats interesting about this the 3 feet or Mannlicher Schönauer claw mount is in this case a 4 feet mount with two claws on the rear feet - never see this before


I have a book "German snipers 1914-45" written by Peter R. Senich. There is some photos where is quite similar mounts.



A couple of images from my computer's 'stash':



On M1900 MS with 'early' magazine release:


The mounts vary widely and were produced a century ago by guild shops and custom gunsmiths, often by hand filing and drilling. There was no sort of 'standard model' for claw mounts. Each was a 'custom' installation. Catches varied, some tipped toward the front for removal, some to the rear.


'Sniper' mount for M98 Mauser:



Modern made Alan Rohne mounts:







'Vienna Snappers' were often crafted with a 'one legged' rear mount, as were / are some claw mounts:




New England Custom Guns mount for M1950 MS with 'one legged' rear:





Stoeger, 1939. The Mauser is shown with claw mounts, the MS with a 'Vienna Snapper':




'Factory' scope mounting was, in the pre - WW2 era, performed at guild shops post - manufacture.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #376936 - 25/05/23 05:02 AM

a 8x57I sold by Wilhelm Brennecke in his shop in leipzig, on the octagonal barrel "Wilhelm Brenneke Gewehrfabrik Leipzig-Suhl" https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8567056/#





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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Igorrock]
      #378771 - 20/08/23 04:20 AM

very nice short stutzen, most likely in 8x57I http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/647756-gew-88-karabina-toptoptop/









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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #378774 - 20/08/23 05:02 AM

Nice looking rifle with beautiful wood.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #381985 - 17/01/24 07:16 AM

heavy reworked, maybe got a new barrel in 1992 - now in 8x57IS https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19392851































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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #381997 - 18/01/24 10:31 AM

A bit over the top for my taste but, would be fitting for a Kaiser.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: JDL]
      #382014 - 19/01/24 04:23 AM

I have two of these, one in 8 X 57I and with the military type magazine and the other a Haenel/Rasch in 9 X 57 with what I assume to be a Rasch designed magazine follower/floorplate. It's quite intricate and well made.

I have really come to admire this action, whether with the staggered magazine or the en-bloc style of magazine. It's ALMOST as smooth as the somewhat later Mannlicher/Schoenauer combination, and that's saying something.

I agree with JDL, that's quite a rifle but a little too much for a retired electrician from the Ozarks.....even though I am mostly Prussian......

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: sharps4590]
      #382016 - 19/01/24 06:19 AM

I think they did somethings wrong when the rifle was changed for the 8x57IS in 1992. the rifle is now to much with this gloss finish, sure it don't look like this when new.
every part polished white now was bluing then or colour cases hardened. the ugly tip on the stock makes no sense at all and I bet it was done in 1992. I see there a tip made from horn maybe lost sometimes because the glue dont make it over the century.
who ever did it had the ability to polish the magazine white for nothing but was not able to fix the broken locations on the stock left and right of the action.
this is in the end an example of wrong and to much restore, would have been better they were using the time to fix the small things on the stock.

such higher grade guns, when original, never look like they are to much

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #382019 - 19/01/24 06:44 AM

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a 8x57I sold by Wilhelm Brenneke in his shop in leipzig, on the octagonal barrel "Wilhelm Brenneke Gewehrfabrik Leipzig-Suhl" https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8567056/#







So I wonder would a rifle like this been the basis of the great 8x64mm that Herr Brenneke designed?
Would the M88 have a long enough magazine, or was it only every made in a Mauser action?
I see it went for over $1000 Euro, would that have been a bargain for a rifle such as this?

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: 93x64mm]
      #382022 - 19/01/24 07:08 AM

I can try it tomorrow but dont think the magazine is long enought for a 8x64 and unlike the Mauser magazine you can't extent it with little tricks.

M 88 hunting rifles are known in 7x57, 8x57, 9x57 and one in 10,75x57 or 10,75x61

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #382883 - 27/02/24 05:07 AM

something is not right with this short rifle /sporter, maybe the barrel was shortened before it got a new proof in 1991 http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.s...B%201783/%2018"















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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Igorrock]
      #387213 - 13/10/24 04:31 PM

8x57I by Thieme-Schlegelmilch/ Suhl
https://auctionet.com/de/3542839-repetit...8-kaliber-8x57i









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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #387241 - 14/10/24 08:57 AM

I have come to admire those. I have a Haenel in the same cartridge and a Haenel/Rasch in 9 X 57.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: sharps4590]
      #387242 - 14/10/24 10:47 AM

I have a Haenel in 8x57I that looks much like that one. They are nice, trim and light. I haven't done much with load development yet. My iron sights shoot very high.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: fjrdoc]
      #387244 - 15/10/24 02:40 PM

the action of this Thieme & Schlegelmilch was Haenel or Schilling made only the stock shows some variations. the customer order a M 88 hunting rifle and Thieme & Schlegelmilch who don't make them regulary got an action in the neighborhood and start working.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: Igorrock]
      #388837 - 13/01/25 06:12 AM

looks a little bit british - a 8x57I https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...p;currentpos=27





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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #391860 - 06/06/25 04:53 AM

think its a surplus Erfurt made carbine M/88 with minor modifications sold before the great war as a low budget hunting rifle

https://auctionet.com/de/4324909-erfurter-modell-mauser-88-kaliber-8x57-zusatzliche-nr-3521





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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #391878 - 06/06/25 08:50 PM

Nice carbine - rather cool really!

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: 93x64mm]
      #391887 - 07/06/25 04:59 AM

you see it here in the 1913 Stukenbrok catalog, the new carbine 98 came then to the german army and the old carbine 88 was sold cheap as surplus.




Nr. 7781 is the orignal military carbine - 40 Mark

Nr. 7782 "stalking rifle" is what we could call a factory made sporter 50 Mark, little changings to get a hunting rifle
its probably this gun above



a similar short Mauser 98 is Nr. 7356 here
cost 150 Mark










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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #392105 - 18/06/25 04:46 PM

a footnote in german hunting history was the beast of Lichtenmoor. this was a wolf who was causing trouble in lower saxony in the early post war years and killing a lot of live stock when food was scarce. after great driven hunts where fruitless the wolf was shoot 1948 by the farmer Hermann Gaatz. the wolf brought the whole area into trouble for some times and the old storys of a werewolf got maybe a new life than.

This is the rifle shown today to be the one Hermann Gaatz use when finally got the first wolf seen there after 100 years.






a similar factory made sporter M 88 carbine with a scope on three feet claw mount
it does not look like the rifle the hunter had on pic's made later. especially the pic with him siting on the high seat was posed after the hunt so it could be he had another rifle then. maybe the short carbine was not registered by the british occupation force so he was showing himself with the long rifle he had on his hunting permit ?











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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #392106 - 18/06/25 08:28 PM

Thanks for sharing the interesting history. I wouldn't want to be standing beside that carbine when it's fired. I'm sure that it is loud.

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: fjrdoc]
      #392108 - 19/06/25 06:07 AM

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Thanks for sharing the interesting history. I wouldn't want to be standing beside that carbine when it's fired. I'm sure that it is loud.



It would have been a 'beast' itself alright!

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Re: another M 88 sporter for the archive [Re: lancaster]
      #392315 - 06/07/25 02:52 AM

8x57I +16/65 https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/o...c599f357eafff55





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