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Tentman
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Another 98 in 8x60
#187998 - 16/08/11 11:47 AM

Hello Folks

I have just purchased (its not yet to hand) a Mauser 98 in 8x60, so the recent thread was of considerable interest.

The rifle is marked "Smits Repeter cal.8X60mm Import 2226" and "8x60D.BUNDEE".

Any provenance that this marking indicates would be appreciated.

Thanks

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kamilaroi
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Re: Another 98 in 8x60 [Re: Tentman]
#188000 - 16/08/11 01:28 PM

I believe "Blindee" is a Belgian proof mark in part.

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taw1126
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Re: Another 98 in 8x60 [Re: kamilaroi]
#188002 - 16/08/11 01:49 PM

From some previous research on WWI-era Winchesters, "BLINDEE" was a French term indicating that jacketed bullets could be used in that particular barrel.

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justcurious
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Re: Another 98 in 8x60 [Re: Tentman]
#188010 - 16/08/11 07:11 PM

The Term " B(alle) Blindee " ist often seen as part of stamping Belgian proof and means jacketed bullet.

So is it possible that you really read B.Blindee ?!

The corresponding term on pre WW1 German rifles is " StmG "(Stahlmantelgeschoss / steel jacketed bullet).

The caliber 8x60 shows that the rifle is at least a Post WW1 production, because the development of that cartridge is a consequence of the Versailles dictate. That reduced the total amount of 100.000
rifles in the military 8x57 cartridge in Germany.
Those 100.000 were reserved for the armed forces (Reichswehr) in Germany. Every 8x57 rifle in civilian hands had to be rechambered to 8x60 to fullfil the demand of the allied forces.

The Name "Smits Repeter " sounds to be Dutch .

When it is taken into consideration that a part of Belgium is of Dutch tongue , but the proof house(Liege) uses the French terms , I would guess that the rifle is of Belgian origine.

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kamilaroi
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Re: Another 98 in 8x60 [Re: justcurious]
#188011 - 16/08/11 07:44 PM

^ Mate,

Thanks for your clarification. (subtle humour notwithstanding)

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kuduae
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Re: Another 98 in 8x60 [Re: kamilaroi]
#188014 - 16/08/11 10:08 PM

Gadisseur & Druart's "Who Is Who of the Liege, Belgium guntrade" lists two Smits registered by the Liege proofhouse:
SMITS, Louis & fils, mentioned 1941-1949
SMITS, Joseph 1949-1955
Sorry, no more information.

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Tentman
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Re: Another 98 in 8x60 [Re: kuduae]
#188024 - 17/08/11 04:59 AM

Thanks for the very useful info folks.

From the photos I think I can see that the rifle is an FN "commercial post war" action, which fits with the info you have provided. I did find a photo of a similar (complete) rifle on the www, for your enlightenment: http://widforss.chiaro.mrfriday.com/auktioner/bilder/47/V08_242.jpg - I hope the stock layout on mine is better!

Cheers - Foster

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