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alsredoak
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35 Winchester
      #184310 - 22/06/11 04:59 AM

Wondering if anybody could help me out with finding load data for the 35 winchester? I have been putting together one of these with a german 16 ga. as a donor since last year.I am looking for load data suitable for a double rifle,but every thing I have found to date is most always for the old win 1895.Any advice would be appreciated.Kind of want to use a 250 grain bullet.I think I have seen data somewhere about 44 or 45 thousand CUP,but wouldn't mind staying below that.

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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: alsredoak]
      #184313 - 22/06/11 05:54 AM

I've got the "Quickload" program and would be happy to run a few loads for you.
I need to know the barrel length, the max pressure you want to go with, the bullet you want to use, and the powders you have available.
(send it by PM if you wish)

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David


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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #184317 - 22/06/11 07:58 AM

David doesn't quickload require the exact capacity to the base of a loaded bullet, etc? Perhaps that was another computer program?

Data for the old M95 was probably in that range of pressure.

I would think something around 2,100fps might be about max. for a DR.

The Hornady 250gr. works well on big game in that velocity range. That's what my brother used in a .356 Winchester M94 as his guiding rifle for a number of years. He dropped a number of previously wounded moose with that load - 250gr. @ 2,156fps.

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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: DarylS]
      #184318 - 22/06/11 08:14 AM

Right off the bat, I was able to put my fingers on some .35 Win. loads in Big Bore Rifles and Ctgs., pages 84 and 85.
The data is listed for the .35 Win in a m95.
cast data- 247gr.LYMAN #358318 - 48.0gr. IMR4320 - 2,200fps.

The jacketed data lists:
200gr. - 51.0gr. IMR 3031 - 2,465fps
250gr. - 49.0gr. IMR 3031 - 2,320fps

This next line might have been a typo - note that the last 3 #'s in the velocity are identical, just arranged differently - also note it is the same load as the one above, except 100fps slower. It is possible the only mistake is that the bullet is supposed to be the discontinued 275gr. Hornady or Speer- whichever it was. That makes sense.
250gr. - 49.0gr. IMR3031 - 2,230fps.

Considering the speed load for the cast bullet, is lower in a powder that is slower burning than the jacketed, one might assume this is a reduced pressure load - maybe.

Reducing that load by a full 12% to 15%, and substituting H4895, would give a descent place to start - ie: around 40gr.H4895 with a 250gr. cast or jackted. I'd expect very low speeds, but one needs a chronograph to work them up. I suspect you'd end up around 48.0gr. H4895 - just a guess - but - that's not a place to start.

I'll keep digging.

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alsredoak
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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: DarylS]
      #184319 - 22/06/11 08:24 AM

I do like the sound of the H4895.I do have a crongraph.My main concern here is pressure,as none of the data I have found gives any pressure estimates.

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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: alsredoak]
      #184330 - 22/06/11 10:13 AM

I have a Custom Krag in 35 WCF and much like you I was very concerned about pressure. The '95 Winchester was rated at 45,000 while the Krag was rated at 40,000 pounds - I did not want to push the limit in my old Krag. I settled on a 250 grain Hornady spire point pushed by a CCI standard large rifle primer and 46 grains of IMR 4895 in reformed 30-40 Krag cases which are slightly short. You will see that Daryl S above was speculating that you would be able to use 48 grains of H4895 which is just slightly slower than the IMR stuff. I get no hint of pressure but I do not have a Chrony. Accuracy is superb. COTW shows this combination with 50 grains delivering 2290 fps. I am four grains below this load and I believe that my pressure is acceptable.

John

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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: TexasJohn]
      #184332 - 22/06/11 11:11 AM

David doesn't quickload require the exact capacity to the base of a loaded bullet, etc? Perhaps that was another computer program?

Daryl, Quickload calculates this by selecting the correct bullet, it will list seating depth, amount of projectile in the case etc. The only thing it won't automatically select for is difference in case capacity varying by case maker, it just gives an "average" I expect. You can be as precise as you want, changing case capacity in grains of h2o if you desire.

Quickload lists the 35 WCF as having a max pressure assigned to it of 44300 psi.
I ran a few loads as follows.

22.5" barrels. max pressure of 40 000 psi, 250grn Hornady RN
I ran all these up close to 40 000 psi, use at your own risk, as they are estimates only.

47 grains of H4895 2210 fps at 38 000 psi.
46 grains of IMR 3031 2250 fps at 38 200 psi.
54.5 grains of IMR 4350 2200 fps at 38 800 psi.
49.5 grains of RE 15 2240 fps at 38 800 psi.
57 grains of RE 19 2200 fps at 37 500 psi.

Hope this helps a little.
David.


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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: TexasJohn]
      #184336 - 22/06/11 11:34 AM

Try "The Legacy of Lever Guns" "2000" from rifle magazine.

http://www.riflemagazine.com/catalog/detail.cfm?ProductID=55

I count 27 loads in that special issue on page 57, all loaded to be safe in the Winchester 95, of course.

They include the following for the 250 Hornady:

IMR-4320 48gr, 2,213
RL15 49 gr, 2,247
Varget 47 gr, 2,170

They also include older data (ca. 1955) that looks hotter.


Edited by CommandCar (22/06/11 11:53 AM)


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alsredoak
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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: CommandCar]
      #184761 - 28/06/11 07:17 AM

I would like to thank everyone for their help finding a load for this double. I have worked up a load using Rel 19 of 55.5 grains under the Hornady 250 gr round nose, that clocks 2150 FPS with my Chrony. No signs of serious pressure. Thanks to all. Alsredoak

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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: alsredoak]
      #184763 - 28/06/11 07:26 AM

Glad it's worked out for you.
Hope you enjoy shooting it.

Regards,
David.


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Re: 35 Winchester [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #184822 - 29/06/11 01:55 AM

Sounds great. That should be a VERY soft load due to the slow powder. If accurcy is good, GREAT!

In freezing weather, you may have to substitute a magnum primer to eliminate hangfires.

That 47.0gr Varget that CC listed looks better to me as it's an "Extreme"-type powder, VERY little effected by heat or cold. I use these whenever possible, although the Reloader powders are fairly good in this regard, just not as good.

That speed is the same as my bro uses in his "guide" rifle. It drops moose nicely, even those previously wounded. It's action on heavy game is out of proportion to it's 'paper' ballistics.

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