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JabaliHunter
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Sidelock DR rebuilding project?
#182926 - 31/05/11 07:49 PM

Is there any mileage to be had out of this, or is it more likely to be a cash black hole?

THE MAJOR PARTS OF A .360 'NO.2' NITRO EXPRESS SIDELOCK NON-EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE, serial no. 14321,
barrels available for sleeving purposes retaining sight rib, folding leaf sights for 100, 200 and 300 yards with silver-inlaid sighting lines, telescopic sight mount bases, tubes originally engraved ' JOSEPH LANG & SON. 7, BURY STREET. ST. JAMES'S. LONDON. .360 NO.2 55 GRS. CORDITE 320 GRAIN BULLET.', treble-grip action with removable striker discs, elongated top-strap, bolted automatic safety with gold-inlaid 'SAFE' detail, gold-inlaid cocking-indicators, double set triggers, best fine bouquet and scroll engraving, retaining much original colour-hardening and finish, retaining fore-end, steel pistolgrip-cap and part of the head of the stock

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500Nitro
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: JabaliHunter]
#182927 - 31/05/11 07:52 PM

Full restock
Sleeve barrels
Regulate
Full re proof

Nice sidelock on a good action.

Potential for those inclined but will cost $$$.

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Orvar
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: 500Nitro]
#182937 - 01/06/11 02:26 AM

Saw that one, and thought about the same thing...

Could be a very fun project, but would be LONG and quite $$$.

I only wish...

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500Nitro
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: Orvar]
#182941 - 01/06/11 03:25 AM

If it was a boxlock I wouldn't bother but the sidelock aspect of it makes it interesting.

That's just my HO though.

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Huvius
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: 500Nitro]
#182942 - 01/06/11 04:02 AM

I have commissioned some rebuilds but nothing as involved as this one.
In my experience, it is very easy to outstrip the value of a gun in the restoration process. This one would be a big $$$ job to do it properly and up to a standard equal to the action.

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: Huvius]
#182944 - 01/06/11 04:11 AM

Saw that Jabali....a lot of GBP which you wouldn´t recoup methinks, best, Mike

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500Nitro
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: Huvius]
#182945 - 01/06/11 04:20 AM

Quote:

In my experience, it is very easy to outstrip the value of a gun in the restoration process.

That is so true and something a lot of people seem to forget.

Also applies to why Custom build guns (Bolt Actions) never seem to recoup the build $ when re sold.

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JabaliHunter
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: 500Nitro]
#182969 - 01/06/11 06:08 PM

This is all very true.

Another other option is to be ruthless and replace the main, top lever and sear springs, pins and swivels, etc. soften, re-harden and re-colour the action, new barrels and stock. Definitely a long-term and expensive project... but resulting in a 'new' re-built rifle on a classic action at lower cost than a newly built rifle on a new action (also saving on VAT !), but admittedly at greater cost than the 'value' of a restored rifle.

I think I have a good handle on action and stock work costs and who could do it, but its the barrels and regulation that I am not sure of and probably the killer...

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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: JabaliHunter]
#182980 - 02/06/11 02:57 AM

whats with a pair of 28 ga shotgun barrels?

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JabaliHunter
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: lancaster]
#182981 - 02/06/11 03:12 AM

Hmmm, 28 bore paradox?

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tinker
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: JabaliHunter]
#182986 - 02/06/11 04:58 AM

Perhaps a super mag 28 paradox!

That's a really neat little action, another pair of set triggers too!
The cost would be high, but the result could be great, whatever caliber it's built to run.

Cheers
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Huvius
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: tinker]
#182993 - 02/06/11 12:09 PM

The side-lever sidelock Grant in the same auction is just begging to be put right!
Lot #1504
What a beauty!

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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: Huvius]
#183014 - 02/06/11 07:48 PM

Depends on the costs. The action hinge pin removable or fixed? If there is enough fresh material left, re-bore the barrels, or have a new set of barrels made in Germany, Belgium, Spain or Italy. My preference would be 9,3x74R

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JabaliHunter
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: Huvius]
#183017 - 02/06/11 08:45 PM

Quote:

The side-lever sidelock Grant in the same auction is just begging to be put right!
Lot #1504
What a beauty!

or the Alexr. Henry
Lot #1519

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500Nitro
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: Yochanan]
#183018 - 02/06/11 08:48 PM

Quote:

Depends on the costs. The action hinge pin removable or fixed? If there is enough fresh material left, re-bore the barrels, or have a new set of barrels made in Germany, Belgium, Spain or Italy. My preference would be 9,3x74R

By reading the description, I think the barrels have or must be chopped.

The action is quite a large one being for the 360 No 2 (effectively a 450).

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JabaliHunter
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: 500Nitro]
#183078 - 04/06/11 08:31 AM

I haven't done an extensive search, but a good maker that I trust will charge about £15K for new barrels fitted and regulated.
At those prices and with top grade wood (stock and new fore-end), that would make a full re-build cost just under (cough!) £30K including buying the action....
It would effectively be a brand new rifle though...
What would German, Belgian or Spanish work cost, out of interest?

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500Nitro
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Re: Webley treble grip rebuilding project? [Re: JabaliHunter]
#183082 - 04/06/11 02:05 PM

I could get a new set of barrels for Aus $11k, made by an Ex Purdey worker.

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