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Kebco
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Re: 30-30 vs 303? Which is best? [Re: DarylS]
      #181492 - 14/05/11 12:49 AM

Not sure, it is what ever CIP says it must be to pass proof...... .311 maybe

Unlike the the US and other countries without a proof house French mfg's and other CIP countries have specifications that include groove diameter, groove depth, width of lands etc for every caliber that must be met to pass proof.

I know you mentioned early on about a 303 with .308 bores, nice idea but not sure you can get it made in any country with a proof house.

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Re: 30-30 vs 303? Which is best? [Re: Kebco]
      #181519 - 14/05/11 07:54 AM

Very nice looking action !!!!!

Are they going to make the .303 a "Catalog Item"?
Robert

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Re: 30-30 vs 303? Which is best? [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #181536 - 14/05/11 12:00 PM

The 303 and 7.62x54R are both available at no extra charge, not sure about the 30-30 as I have never had anyone ask.

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Re: 30-30 vs 303? Which is best? [Re: Kebco]
      #181537 - 14/05/11 12:16 PM

Thanks . I will look at their web site.
Robert

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Re: 30-30 vs 303? Which is best? [Re: Kebco]
      #181564 - 14/05/11 03:13 PM

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I am having a 303 with a second set of 375 FM barrels built for myself. Still a little way from delivery, but the factory has recently teased me with a pic.




Ken

That is really nice. Can't wait to see the finished product.

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Re: 30-30 vs 303? Which is best? [Re: NitroX]
      #181748 - 17/05/11 01:04 AM

This all depend what a person wants the rifle for, and where he lives! Comparing the 303 Britt to the 30-30 Win is comparing apples to lemons; they are two very different cartridges, designed for different purposes.

As far as the 30-30 Win not being a traditional cartridge in double rifles and combination guns in Europe, that is a fallacy. The cartridges are quite common in the Germanic countries before the great wars. In Germany the 30-30 Win is called 7.62X51R and was a very common cartridge in the black forest type hunting of wild boar, and roe deer, and red stag!

I had a little 30-30 Win rifle, I built on a Browning BSS action a few years ago with very short (for a double rifle) 20inch barrels. This was regulated with 150 gr Win silver tip factory ammo, and would place four rounds on a standard playing card at 100 yards over the bags. I built this little rifle for a light rifle on a sling for following the dogs on trail of Black bear, and Lion in the western USA mountains. However I use this rifle for black bear over bait, and deer in the woods on New Mexico. The fact is in the USA any country store has 30-30 ammo on the shelf any day of the year, and the squared off nose is no draw back IMO. I have killed mule deer with one shot at over two hundred yards with a 30-30 lever gun with 20 inch barrels, and the double will do it as well if you can shoot it.

NOW! If I could find a Britt double rifle factory chambered for 303 Britt, with barrels that were not ruined by Cordite/corrosive primed 303 mil-surp ammo then it would be a zebra of a different stripe. But for woods hunting in Tennessee I’d go 30-30 every time .

Resale of the rifle chambered for 30-30 in the Eastern, and southern USA would be far better than one barreled for 303 Britt today.

…………………….Just one man’s opinion!

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Re: 30-30 vs 303? Which is best? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #181754 - 17/05/11 01:56 AM

I carried a 30-30 and a driven Boar hunt in the Ardennes about 20 years ago. It was a pre war (WWI) Belgian rifle. I can't remember who made it but it was nice and light and very quick. I thought it was marginal for Boar as it had no knockdown power on the bigger pigs and unless the shot was perfect tracking was involved.

It would have been a nice rifle to use with dogs on Cats and treeing BBears but on a ground Bear I would rather have the lever action and more rounds.

I know that the 30-30 has killed everything in N America dozens of times but so has the .22 Hornet and I would not choose it either for Bears. I grew up with a .32 Special which, is the same round, and have shot Deer, Bears, Coyotes and Steers with it. But that was because it was all we had, not because it was the best option. My Mother killed a pretty big Grizzly with the same rifle but it took her the entire magazine and a pocketful of cartridges to do it.

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