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Sepia
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S & B Ammunition
#178287 - 03/04/11 12:40 PM

Hello all. I have been an observer of the web site for a while but have not written any new posts so I hope this is landing in the right spot.
My query relates to the new Sellier and Bellot ammunition available in particular their 9.3x74R. Has anyone had a chance to try this either at the range or on a hunt? Also does anyone know what make the bullets themselves are or do S&B make their own?
I have a Merkel 140 in this calibre and recently bought a box and as the cost is substantially less than others I am hoping for good things.

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: Sepia]
#178291 - 03/04/11 02:19 PM

I can't offer any information but as the owner of a 9.3 I would be very interested in what you learn of velocity etc when you shoot them.

Please keep us posted.

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: mickey]
#178292 - 03/04/11 02:52 PM

S&B has always been cheap ammo. Good but cheap.

Not sure what bullets they use now but if it's a bonded core, it will be fine for most things, if not, probably limit yourself to up to deer size.

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Sepia
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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: 500Nitro]
#178320 - 03/04/11 08:09 PM

Thanks for the replies. I will pass on any interesting info I glean when I get to fire them. I don't get to range very often so it may be a while.

I recently hunted feral pigs and scrub bulls in Cape York, Queensland and used the regulated RWS loads. Whilst they were flawlessly accurate I did not recover any bullets which was a bit disturbing.

Subsequent to this I have read that some PH's in Africa do not regard RWS bullets with favour. I hope to take this rifle to Africa in 2013 so I'm on a steep learning curve at the moment.

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: Sepia]
#178321 - 03/04/11 08:25 PM

Have a read here.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=172916&an=0&page=2#Post172916

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: Sepia]
#178323 - 03/04/11 08:34 PM

Quote:

Thanks for the replies. I will pass on any interesting info I glean when I get to fire them. I don't get to range very often so it may be a while.

I recently hunted feral pigs and scrub bulls in Cape York, Queensland and used the regulated RWS loads. Whilst they were flawlessly accurate I did not recover any bullets which was a bit disturbing.

Subsequent to this I have read that some PH's in Africa do not regard RWS bullets with favour. I hope to take this rifle to Africa in 2013 so I'm on a steep learning curve at the moment.

Regards.

It depends on what RWS bullet you are using.

The question is, did the animals die ?

Not sure if spending $$$$$ on going to Africa I would skimp on the ammo - after all, it's the only thing between you and the animal.

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: 500Nitro]
#178328 - 03/04/11 09:33 PM

I have had some difficulties with S&B ammo in double rifles. Regulation seems to be all over the place. When I switched back to Norma or RWS ammo the gun was well behaved. Your experience may be different but I no longer even try to use it in double guns

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: Kebco]
#178339 - 04/04/11 03:15 AM

Sepia,

Thus far my experiences with S&B 9.3X74R ammunition in doubles rifles has been limited to the use of their cartridges loaded with their 285 grain SP RN bullets in a SXS and an O/U. When I last compared the S&B's to NORMA's 286 grain "Alaska" rounds they chronographed at an average of 20 ft/sec faster which isn't much of course. The S&B's were moving along at an average of 2273 ft/sec out of a set of 25 3/4" SXS barrels. The other observance of note when comparing these two cartridges was how consistently both grouped at 50 yards. On that afternoon I alternated shooting a pair of the S&B's with a pair of the NORMA's and with three salvos each managed to cut one hole from the right tube and the same for the left. All of this could be coincidence of course with the temperature, the way I was holding the gun, etc. and particular to the gun I was using but it was kind of neat to see, for one the gun seemed to not notice the difference. As to performance "in the field" the last critter that I took with the S&B 9.3X74R 285 SP RN was a 300 lb. Russian boar:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=152003&an=0&page=1#Post152003

With all this, IMHO they work just fine.

Regards,

Buchseman

PS - In another month or so I will be running a bunch of S&B 8X57JR 196 grain SP RN through a SXS double rifle as well as quite a few handload combinations which should be interesting ... well for me anyway.

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: Buchsemann]
#178342 - 04/04/11 05:06 AM

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PS - In another month or so I will be running a bunch of S&B 8X57JR 196 grain SP RN through a SXS double rifle as well as quite a few handload combinations which should be interesting ... well for me anyway.

Where did you buy the JR? That is the .318 correct?

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: mickey]
#178344 - 04/04/11 05:22 AM

http://www.natchezss.com/Ammo.cfm?conten...odTitle=Sellier and Bellot 8x57 JR 196 gr SP 20/box

$19 per box

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: AkMike]
#178348 - 04/04/11 06:23 AM

I shot tons of it in 7x57R, 7x57, .303, 7.62x39, 9X19, .357 Sig, .30-06, 7.62X25 and of course, shotgun shells.

Had to deepen primer pockets in 7x57 as primers sttod proud otherwise.

Never shot it in a double and have no experience with 9.3x74R.

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: 9.3x57]
#178349 - 04/04/11 06:45 AM

Mikey,

At a gun show a few years back and yes the JR is the .318" diameter.

Buchseman

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: Buchsemann]
#178398 - 05/04/11 02:04 AM

Sepia,

I forgot to ask, what animals are you planning on hunting when you travel to Africa?

Bullet selection is substantially more important if the critter you're going to be hunting falls into the classification of "Dangerous Game". If you don't reload and you're thinking about hunting such beasts you might want to look at Federal's line of 9.3X74R. For example they have their "Barnes Banded Solid" that they advertise as their DG cartridge. I don't have any experience with Federal's 9.3X74R ammunition myself but I would think others on this site may have used them. Most of my experience with Federal ammunition is with their .338 Win Mag Premium and their 12 ga "Barnes Expander" sabot cartridges and both have always done their job. I will add that their .338 Win Mag Premiums are consitently accurate, in my experience.

I wouldn't know if there are any problems with getting Federal ammunition in Australia, hopefully not.

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: Buchsemann]
#178435 - 05/04/11 06:16 PM

Golly! Thank you all for taking up the thread.

It's not so much the ammo or the cost of, but the bullets that seem to be a worry. I am hoping to learn more about the RWS bullets as I go along. They are 285grain T Mantel's. They certainly tipped over the scrub bulls, one was a forehead shot, but as I'm hoping to hunt Buffalo in Africa you can see that I don't want any doubt in my rifle on the day. The accuracy of these cartridges in my rifle engenders confidence but... the bullets? Eland too is on the list.

I have purchased some Hornady Dangerous Game Series loaded with a 286gr SP-RP but as yet have not had a chance to fire them. I have not purchased any Norma 9.3 which is available but considering the quality of their ammo it could well pay dividends. Has anyone used Norma on large game in this calibre?

Incidentally I'll be 50 in 2013 so I figure a trip to Africa is a good way to celebrate! I did hunt in South Africa in 1998 and have hoped to live out the quote that 'once you have been to Africa you will always return'

Thanks for all the replies and information. I'll check back with interest.

Regards,

Sepia.

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Re: S & B Ammunition [Re: Sepia]
#178436 - 05/04/11 06:52 PM

Good luck and it is a great way to "party".

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