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underlever
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Merkel 221E
      #178222 - 02/04/11 09:34 PM

G'day chaps,
anyone had any experience with the Merkel 221E U/O double rifle ? Have been offered one in 7x65R and will get to have a look at it next weekend and although I found a bit of info on the net, no comments on how well they are regulated. I know the lock work is of the blitz type and lock up is by double kersten bolt only with no under bolt and was wondering also about the durability of this locking system ?
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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: underlever]
      #178224 - 02/04/11 10:13 PM

"double kersten bolt"

One of the strongest around. Merkel build quality guns.

I think if there had been a problem with the Kersten system it would have become evident many years ago.



What do you mean exactly by "no under bolt" ?

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Edited by 500Nitro (02/04/11 10:18 PM)


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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: 500Nitro]
      #178249 - 03/04/11 04:41 AM

I would like to see some photos of the lower part of the barrels... all the Merkel O/U and all the European "Kersten" doubles I have seen had the two upper Kersten locks AND the usual two locks under the barres.
The Kersten is a very strong and solid lock. You can find doubles of this system chambered even for the 458 Winchester Magnum.

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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: herrdoktor]
      #178257 - 03/04/11 07:20 AM


Herrdoktor

That was my understanding of the Kersten system as well.


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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: herrdoktor]
      #178259 - 03/04/11 07:38 AM

thanks for the input 500nitro and herrdoktor,
one of the things I did find out about the 221E is that it has been built for a long time[ at least 80 years ] so it has stood the test of time. Also from a story in the double gun journal [ issue 3, 2009 ] and a pic or two I found on the net, it looks as though they are indeed made without any bolting arrangement that utilises the bottom barrel lugs, relying on the kersten bolts only.
All will be revealed in a few days though and if I grab the bugger I'll post a few pics.
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Underlever


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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: underlever]
      #178260 - 03/04/11 07:47 AM


underlever

Can you post the link to the pics on the net.


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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: 500Nitro]
      #178272 - 03/04/11 10:16 AM

Gday 500nitro,

here are some links to the photos of the merkel

http://www.jagdwaffensammler.de/bockdoppelbuechse-gebr-merkel.html

http://www.naturabuy.fr/Express-Superpose-Merkel-221-E-cal-9-3-74-r-optiques-item-158292.html


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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: underlever]
      #178273 - 03/04/11 10:28 AM


Interesting.

Some of the photos i was looing at of the Kersten system had lugs in the lumps where a bolt or something comes across.


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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: 500Nitro]
      #178383 - 04/04/11 10:51 PM

Well, underlever, you were right: there are some "Kerstens" without the two inferior lugs... I donīt know how strong this type of system is. In the photos you can see that the opening lever ends in the upper part of the action. In my Sodia, the lever is longer, works in the usual way, and interacts with the lugs under the barrels.
This type of action is seen quite often, for instance inthe Holtīs auctions. All the doubles with Kersten lock <i have see are of the "four locks" type.

Herrdoktor

Edited by herrdoktor (04/04/11 11:07 PM)


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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: herrdoktor]
      #179861 - 24/04/11 07:37 PM

Well after a long drive and the parting of cash I'm the owner of a U/O double rifle in 7x65R. During the hours of driving to look at the rifle I convinced myself that if there was even one thing about it I didn't like, I would pass and keep the loot in my pocket.
As soon as it emerged from the gun slip I knew I was in trouble and after looking it over and asking about its history, my money was gone. A heap of factory RWS ammo and RCBS dies rounded the deal off.
It is in almost new condition and passed proof I believe in Jan 1981. The scope, a zeiss 6x42 with typical german heavy post and cross rails, was factory fitted and is of a design I've only seen in books. The turrent closest to the shooter is for focusing and the other handles elevation. Windage adjustment is in the rear mount, which are the see though type, and its optics are wonderful.
The gun is still tight to the point of being a bit difficult to open, and though the wood is plain, its perfectly fitted. I pulled the butt off the other day and all internals are beautifully fitted and finished.
After shooting it at the range at 75 m using a pair of the RWS 173gr T mantels, the 2 shots were only 1 1/4" apart and hit right where I was looking. Happy times!
Last weekend I went after some pigs with it and bagged 9 from 9 shots [all without scope attached] and learnt a few things about using a U/O double. First thing was that these rifles handle VERY well. Only 1 of the pigs was shot standing still, all the rest launched themselves out from under my feet, and all I had to do was lock my eyes on the bugger and grab the tigger. End of story for Mr grunter. The extra opening angle was not even noticed when reloading. I was well aware of the extra force needed to cock the hammerless action as my other doubles are hammer rifles, which of course just fall open. The ejecting of the fired cases is another thing new to me and will take a bit of getting used to. I also found that using the top barrel first allows one to reload in complete silence if that is the only shot fired. Just open the action enough to pluck the fired shell out and slip in a fresh round. The ejector doesn't come into play.
I had read and heard that this style of double can't complete with a side by side. Now that I've used both I wonder just how many shooters have really used both under hunting conditions. I kill pigs with my doubles just about every second weekend and with a good mate who also uses a double, we account for around 500 at least each year. I will still be taking my British hammer doubles out every now and then but the Merkel will be my go to rifle. One has a more traditional bwana look and one is typical german. Both are fantastic.







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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: underlever]
      #179868 - 24/04/11 09:22 PM

A nice bit of Deutschewerke and I note the "moustache" reinforce under the water table!

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Re: Merkel 221E [Re: kamilaroi]
      #179955 - 26/04/11 02:57 AM

Underlever,
Here is the link to a basic Merkel grade description. As you can see, Merkel's Blitz actions did not have the under bites as did the Merkel A&D's.

http://www.hallowellco.com/traditional_merkel_grades.htm

I have six Merkels ranging in proof dates from 1926 to 1941, one rifle, one combo (two barrel set) and four shotguns. Several appear to have been shot considerably but have the same SNAP! on closing that the high condition guns do. It is apparent that the under bites are unnecessary in this design. I have a Kessler Blitz actioned rifle (1938) and a Stiegele Blitz combo (1927) and they too are tight 'like new'.

As you have noted these rifles handle beautifully. My two O/U rifles and two combos have the feel of a shotgun in the hand and are among my favorite guns. The Blitz action can be disassembled with three screw driver blades in a few minutes and nearly all parts are totally accessible on the removed trigger plate. This may sound like a trivial distinction but three years ago I hunted deer on Montegue Island here in Alaska. It was late November and we were in miserable mixed snow and rain every day all day long. I was hunting with the 1926 combo (7x65R) and to properly care for it I had to remove the butt several times. After having experienced the Blitz actions I've never been tempted to acquire a Merkel A&D.

Anyway, very nice rifle and a superb cartridge that you have.
Dennis


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