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Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant
      #177871 - 30/03/11 01:01 AM

FULTON, Ark. (AP) -- The barbed-wire fence surrounding the Hempstead County Hunting Club divides more than property lines. It separates rich from poor.
On one side: wealthy duck hunters who have preserved a private forested paradise largely untouched by chain saws. On the other: the people of this struggling Arkansas town where jobs are scarce and families live in run-down trailers.
The hunters are now waging a bitter legal battle over construction of a coal-fired power plant, and the dispute has laid bare the class tensions that have long beset this rural area.

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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: Story]
      #178397 - 05/04/11 01:44 AM

I have to side with the Power Plant but it is any wonder the preservationists shudder?

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Yet poverty and blight are never far away. Car parts, propane tanks and washing machines are abandoned on dry grass between trailers. Some people throw their trash on the side of the road. Others burn garbage in their backyards, fouling the air with acrid smoke and the unmistakable smell of waste.





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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: mickey]
      #178540 - 08/04/11 10:38 AM

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I have to side with the Power Plant but it is any wonder the preservationists shudder?




I mostly agree. I have one small nit to pick, though. The duck club owners aren't preservationists. It isn't as if they are advocating a non-consumptive use of a renewable resource. The ducks.

That in my eyes makes them conservationists.

Other than that, I have to admit to being totally confused. When actual wealthy preservationists such as Greenpeace, the Audobon Society, the Sierra Club, et al, find a sympathetic judge and ruin whole economies and impoverish people I never see the AP reporting about how the rich are setting themselves against the poor.

NOOO! Then it's those who care for Gaia versus those who want to rape here.

I'm actually impressed that the AP took a relatively neutral tone in this article. Still, the stench of it is that while the wealthy may have as sort of a side-benefit done something good for the environment in the pursuit of evil bloodsport, they're still keeping the locals down.

Meanwhile, in California what used to be rich farmland is a dustbowl because the enviros have convinced a judge that water can't be diverted for irrigation because it might be harmful to the delta smelt.

And on the east coast near Cape Hatteras they have something called a National Seashore Recreation Area where you can't recreate anymore. Because you might disturb nesting Piping Plovers.

Towns and farms that people have lived in and worked for generations are being ruined. People driven into poverty. Yet I never read anything that implies that the rich enviros might be the bad guys, or that the poor people being ruined may have a point when they argue they should be able to pursue their livelihoods.

But these duck hunters? They're selfish and standing in the way of progress.

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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: Freeloader123]
      #178543 - 08/04/11 11:57 AM

We here are sinking under the starvation politics of ecoterrorists who include Defenders of Wildlife, Earthjustice, Audubon, Sierra Club, the US Forest Service, USF&WS and even from time to time the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.

They love it.

Rural people in the USA have no rights.

The rich, the stupid urbanites and vermin protected under the unconstitutional ESA do.

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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: 9.3x57]
      #178580 - 09/04/11 01:27 AM

Is it a "clean coal" plant?

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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #178703 - 10/04/11 07:32 PM

It will be classified as such. Just until it ruins the evil duck hunters.

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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: Freeloader123]
      #178739 - 10/04/11 10:44 PM

As a life-long member of Nature Conservancy, I applaud the practice of buying the land you wish to set aside for conservation. We allow hunting on some of the land we buy, and on other parcels we don't. It's ours; we make the decision. The hunt club bought the land, and owns the right to do with it as they please. Neighbors, poor or not, should not be allowed to take it away.

On the other hand, if someone else owns the land where the power plant is to be built, then they have the same rights. Ducks paddle right up to power plant discharges, and people can hunt with a power plant nearby.

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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: Tatume]
      #178791 - 11/04/11 11:56 AM

Tatume, you'll get no argument from me on private property rights. As a matter of fact, if you look at the preceding the only two who have taken sides, Mickey and I, have sided with the those who want to build the plant.

It's the press treatment that catches my eye.

Because hunters are involved, according to the press it's rich vs. poor.

I never see it expressed that way when it's wealthy environmentalists destroying rural economies.

To cite one specific example, I recall reading a U.S. Forest Service study on mountain lions in the Sierra Nevada in California. Essentially, the overabundance of mountain lions depressed game populations. The overabundance of mountain lions was only possible due to the fact that they could also kill and eat stock. And as long as California banned hunting of mountain lions, the negative effects on both the native game populations and ranchers would continue.

On the other hand, permitting the hunting of mountain lions would provide jobs and income to the local communities. California produces big black bears, and there are people who make their livings guiding clients to them. Not to mention people who benefit from providing food, lodging, and other support activities. Expanding this to include mountain lion hunting would provide further economic benefits. Not to mention the fact that if mountain lions weren't artificially depressing the numbers of blacktail and mule deer, more hunters would spend money in these areas.

Yet Hollywood celebrities and San Francisco liberals would suffer an injury to their self-esteem if they allowed this to happen. So they don't.

Yet I never hear of this as rich vs. poor. Even though that's what it is.

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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: Freeloader123]
      #178793 - 11/04/11 12:25 PM

Freeloader, I think you wholly misunderstood my post?

I wholly support the power plant builders. For that matter, I think you and Tatume are pretty much in agreement?

As I read it, the plant is not on the duck hunting property the owners of which are suing to stop construction of the plant. Correct?

In this case, the duck hunters are acting 100% like the various protectionist groups I cited. They are trying to use the courts to block the use of another's land.

I do see your point about the "rich" vs "poor" argument and I agree. Had the coal-plant-stoppers been enviros, the article would have been 100% in their favor, with "facts" to prove the case, I suppose...

We here see the courts continuously and unendingly used to violate the express purpose of public lands originally set apart for timber extraction, mining and ranching. The media continuously supports such obstructionist activity.

Such activities have been totally stopped or hindered on vast acres of lands. Possibly some enterprising attorneys will be able to make the case that because timber extraction has simply not occured on many National Forest lands in various parts of the West a violation of the law has occured, in spite of the procedural and technical aspects of various subsequent environmental laws or regulations that have been used to stop that activity.

Certainly we here in north Idaho can provide a history of cessation of use that makes the case.

The current adoption of ecoterrorism {use of procedural environmental law to destroy economies and rural communities} as a policy of government is not a purely philosophical or ideological shift. There is money to be made. Just like Al Qaeda selling opium...?

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Re: Rich hunters, poor town clash over power plant [Re: 9.3x57]
      #178860 - 12/04/11 02:51 AM

9.3x57, at what point do you think I've misunderstood your argument? Because after objecting that's what I've done, I agreed with every word you wrote.

As an aside, I've mostly agreed with everything you've posted before that.

If it has to do with building the power plant, it's just that I don't want to put words in anyone else's mouth. Mickey stated he agreed with the side that wants to build the plant, and I seconded that. I didn't see anyone else explicitly agreeing. My impression was that others implicitly agreed. But as I said I didn't want to put words in anyone else's mouth.

Or is it something else?

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