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mauserand9mm
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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: NitroX]
      #177939 - 30/03/11 04:35 PM

My CZ 375H&H is average with anything less than 300gn and 458 CZ is yet to show a good reliablly accurate load - probably all due to the long throat.

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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: NitroX]
      #177941 - 30/03/11 05:18 PM

Doesn't just knowing that a particular rifle shoots well give you more confidence in the field, I imagine it would, especially putting 3 shots on a buffalo so close together.
It's like that for me in the comp shoots, if I know that the rifle shoots inch groups, then any odd shots that might appear on the target are all my fault.
A lot of what I do when reloading might be helping, might not either, but if you can get it into your head that by doing "X" to the rifle or ammunition might make it shoot or perform better, you will hit closer to the centre.
All in the head, the brain is a very powerful thing.
(The book Competitive Shooting, by the Russian coach, Yuryev, goes into the physcology of shooting very well, but the reading can get a bit heavy at times)

In any case Empire 375, buy whatever calibre cranks your tractor, either of them will be fun.

Regards,
David.


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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #177997 - 31/03/11 03:06 AM

Is anyone using 600 gr Woodleighs in their .500 Jeffery or .505 Gibbs? Instead of the more usual 535 gr bullet?

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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: NitroX]
      #178006 - 31/03/11 05:03 AM


Yes, I used them in my 505 Gibbs. In fact the three SxS shots
were the first 600gns made as it was while they were being tested and an old, injured cow happened to cross in front of us.

In fact, Harold Wolf was there as well !!!

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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: 500Nitro]
      #178028 - 31/03/11 08:10 AM

This is such a naughty thread!

So, to clarify, in your opinions, is the .500J more suited to the CZ550 than the .505G?


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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: Ben]
      #178030 - 31/03/11 08:13 AM

Quote:

This is such a naughty thread!

So, to clarify, in your opinions, is the .500J more suited to the CZ550 than the .505G?





Some would say Yes.

How about that the 500J fits in the CZ550 / 602 perfectly.

The M17 is a good choice for the 505 Gibbs.


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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: NitroX]
      #178053 - 31/03/11 07:22 PM

Quote:

Is anyone using 600 gr Woodleighs in their .500 Jeffery or .505 Gibbs? Instead of the more usual 535 gr bullet?




I'm shooting 570g TSX's in my CZ 550 500 Jeffery at 2410 fps ... I'm using Federal 215 primers, Jamison cases and 105g H4895, OAL is 3.63".

Here's my buddy holding it when it first came in ...



Here's a 3 shot group at 50 yards ...





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Edited by CptCurl (03/07/11 10:06 PM)


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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: chuck375]
      #178058 - 31/03/11 08:03 PM

Great shooting, Sir!

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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: Ben]
      #178064 - 31/03/11 11:54 PM

Thanks but when you're shooting from a rest there's not much skill involved. My boys and I shoot soda cans offhand at 25, 50, 100 and 200 yards. When we hit one at 200 yards there's always a yell lol ...

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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: chuck375]
      #178313 - 03/04/11 07:11 PM

I thought about the two big 50's offered by CZ and choose the 505 because I like the round better. On a more emotional level yes - I choose the Gibbs for the history and romance of the round and just for the looks. The looks difference is dramatic! I suggest you examine both prior to changing you mind and going to the Jeff. The Jeff is short fat round, with a rebated rim and short neck. I am sure it can work, but feeding problems were reported in the past history. The original 23 guns were single stack feed, that probably did much to reduce feeding problems. The 505 is a big round, long case, long neck and no rebate compromise. IMHO - impressive as all get out. The 505 is better suited to staggered magazine and although the rim diameter is large for the CZ bolt face, it does fit. If the 505 is considered marginally large in size for the CZ, then by the same standard the 500J is small for the CZ. The 500Jeff is really an ugly compromise designed to fit in a standard Mauser and IMHO is a waste of a magnum action.

Now, of this is in any way meant to be a practical consideration, just my 2c on a side by side emotional comparison of these two 50's. In the CZ, I opted for the Gibbs and never looked back. What and beauty of a round and what a chance to relive history. The function and reliability of my 505 Gibbs CZ have been perfect although I cannot say the same for my cheapo 458Lott by same. The custom shop 505 priced under $3k is the deal of a lifetime. It is no trick to build a 500Jeff (well maybe it is, but length is no problem). Until the CZ550 the might Gibbs was homeless. Now, that has changed and we are a better world for it.

If you dont count the 50bmg bullets which are too long, seems to me all or most of the best bullets are available in both 505 and 510. It not a shortage of bullet choice but a shortage of $$$ that limit bullet purchase. Casting might be best route for low cost practice.

Edited by fourbore (03/04/11 07:27 PM)


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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: Empire375]
      #178316 - 03/04/11 07:24 PM

I thought about the two big 50's offered by CZ and choose the 505 because I like the round better. On a more emotional level yes - I choose the Gibbs for the history and romance of the round and for the looks. The looks difference is dramatic! I suggest you examine both prior to changing your mind and going to the Jeff. The Jeff is short fat round, with a rebated rim and short neck. I am sure it can work, but feeding problems were reported in the past history. The original 23 Jeffrey guns were single stack feed, that probably did much to reduce feeding problems. The 505 is a big round, long case, long neck and no rebate compromise. IMHO - impressive as all get out. The 505 is better suited to staggered magazine and although the rim diameter is large for the CZ bolt face, it does fit. If the 505 can be considered margin in size for the CZ, then by the same consideration 500J is small for the CZ. The 500Jeff is really an ugly compromise designed to fit in a standard Mauser and IMHO is a waste of a magnum action.

None, of this is in any way meant to be a practical consideration, just my 2c on a side by side comparison of these two 50's. In the CZ, I opted for the Gibbs and never looked back. What and beauty of a round and what a chance to relive history. The function and reliability of my CZ have been perfect and I cannot say the same for my cheap 458Lott in same. The custom shop 505 priced under $3k is the chance of a lifetime (to own a Gibbs). It is no trick to build a 500Jeff (well maybe it is feeding, but length is no problem). Until the CZ550 the mighty Gibbs was homeless. Now, that has changed and we are a better world for it.

If you dont count the 50bmg bullets which are too long, seems to me all or most of the best bullets are available in both 505 and 510. It not a shortage of bullet choice but a shortage of $$$ that limit bullet purchase. Casting might be best route for low cost practice.

I am not sure how to post? Should I reply to the last post in the thread chuck? Or Empire to whom I am speaking?

I registered last year and talked about my CZ550 problems in 458Lott but now it says I only have 1 post, so that is weird. My big bore experience is limited (shooting but no safari for me). I have three CZ550's: The 505 Gibbs which I love, a 375 rebuild by AHR which is also a great gun and one off the boat in 458Lott that has performed very poorly.

Edited by fourbore (03/04/11 08:47 PM)


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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: fourbore]
      #178317 - 03/04/11 07:43 PM

Thanks, Fourbore, good info.

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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: Ben]
      #178355 - 04/04/11 07:40 AM

Hi fourbore, I went through the same decision process and ended up with a CZ 550 in 500 Jeffery. I was concerned about feeding, but was also concerned with the little bit of bolt face that would be left if I went with a 505 Gibbs. The 505 Gibbs is definitely a more impressive round! And yes, I've had feeding problems and yes I'm a stickler. I've had Harlan at Triple River (CZ Custom Shop) who made it take it back once, and also had Wayne at AHR work on it a bit. It's close, but not 100% reliable so I'm sending it out once again. All told, I have just over $2k in it (I didn't start out with a 500 Jeffery but had a 375 H&H rebarreled which may have been part of my problem). It's accurate and fun to shoot (but not off of a bench!) but doesn't pass my test yet of filling the magazine with dummy rounds, cycling the action rapidly and repeating it 100 times without a failure. I typically get to between 60 and 80 times before it fails to feed, it never fails to extract. By the time I get to Africa I'm sure it will be all the way there though ...

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Re: CZ 550 in 505 Gibbs [Re: chuck375]
      #178359 - 04/04/11 10:07 AM

Wow Fourbore and chuck375 and others. What a mine of information this forum and you guys are !!
If I could not make my mind up before I'm surely buggered now !!
Thanks heaps.


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