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gryphon
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Why such a price?
#177569 - 23/03/11 07:14 PM

I look at this rifle @ $9500 and see a `98 with a flash stock in a big bore,the extra`s are basically a few bucks worth so IMO I cant see any justifiable reason for the price,anyone help out?

Calibre 500 Jeffery
Make Mauser
Model 98
500 Jeffery
Mauser 98 Action Bolt repeater
Open sights
Condition Excellent

Price $9,500
Advertised 23 Mar 11

Comments Beautiful custom English style big game rifle, Timney trigger, Recknagel bottom metal, optic fibre front bead, spare brass bead, exhibition grade walnut stock with buffalo horn capes.

Complete with a number of once fired Bertram and Horneber brass, approx 40 loaded rds, two boxes Woodleigh projectiles, two leather ammo pouches and RCBS full length dies with shell holder

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tophet1
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Loc: NSW, Australia

Re: Why such a price? [Re: gryphon]
#177570 - 23/03/11 07:47 PM

Lets See, in Aussie dollars.

L/W Barrel: $500
Bottom metal: $500-750
old '98 action: $250-500
Commercial magnum '98 action: $1,000 - $2,500
( or donor CZ Magnum rifle: $1,500 )
Timney: $110
Exh Grade Blank: $1,000 ++
Spares, bits and bobs: $500
Expert Labour @ $60 - $100 per hr x ?50: $3,000 - $5,000
desireability: N/K
Dies and ammo: $500

Yep, I can see it.

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CHAPUISARMES
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Loc: DUBBO, NSW, AUSTRALIA

Re: Why such a price? [Re: gryphon]
#177571 - 23/03/11 07:50 PM

Hi Gryphon,

I looked at another of this guy's kit a while back, a H.S. Precision Take down with 2 barrels in the normal Pelican case, the rifle had rust in the barrel threads and else where and the case was a disaster and was asking a real top price. I was interested before I built the CZ's up but he did not like to many questions about lock up etc so I dropped it.

Now if this is the one your talking about.:

I tend to agree, I paid $2.5k for each of the stocks plus the blank, the Recknagel metal work is expensive but the cost to manufacture, make the feed correct etc does add up. I was told the cases are about $6 each but add the cost of the Woodleigh's, loaded ammo, dies etc and I think it would be close to a build price without the wait. $9.5k ? maybe, just.....

That's just my opinion.

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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Edited by CptCurl (30/03/11 11:52 AM)

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500Nitro
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Loc: Victoria, Australia

Re: Why such a price? [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#177572 - 23/03/11 07:54 PM

Who's selling it ?

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: 500Nitro]
#177573 - 23/03/11 07:59 PM

On www.usedguns.com.au

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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500Nitro
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#177574 - 23/03/11 08:02 PM

I should have guessed.

I'll look later but I think it is the one from Oakey Oil and Battery ?

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Homer
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: 500Nitro]
#177577 - 23/03/11 08:46 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Gryphon, the .404 Jeffery that I now own, cost $8500.00 to build in 1992!
This is the price of Best Quality firearms but they need to be put together by capable and or recognised persons (either established or in the future)!!!

Doh!
Homer

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"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"

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DarylS
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: gryphon]
#177587 - 24/03/11 02:48 AM

Quote:

I look at this rifle @ $9500 and see a `98 with a flash stock in a big bore,the extra`s are basically a few bucks worth so IMO I cant see any justifiable reason for the price,anyone help out?

Calibre 500 Jeffery
Make Mauser
Model 98
500 Jeffery
Mauser 98 Action Bolt repeater
Open sights
Condition Excellent

Price $9,500
Advertised 23 Mar 11

Comments Beautiful custom English style big game rifle, Timney trigger, Recknagel bottom metal, optic fibre front bead, spare brass bead, exhibition grade walnut stock with buffalo horn capes.

Complete with a number of once fired Bertram and Horneber brass, approx 40 loaded rds, two boxes Woodleigh projectiles, two leather ammo pouches and RCBS full length dies with shell holder

One most similar at a gun show here last Spring .505 Gibbs - priced at $9,000 US - I looked it over and for a modern rifle, it looked quite well and nicely made except the inletting left wood boss around inlets - worth perhaps a couple thousand to $2,500 at most imho, of course, considering all the paraphenalia.

You can get just as nicely and well made a rifle, for $9,000 but it has 2 barrels.

If you were going to spend almsot 10 grand, you could get a real rifle.

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Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

Edited by CptCurl (30/03/11 11:53 AM)

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Sarg
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: DarylS]
#177609 - 24/03/11 12:43 PM

Daryl , You seem to be teasing us again , what have you there ?

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500Nitro
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Loc: Victoria, Australia

Re: Why such a price? [Re: DarylS]
#177611 - 24/03/11 01:20 PM

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One most similar at a gun show here last Spring .505 Gibbs - priced at $9,000 US -

Do you want to hear about the biggest heartache story ever
regarding 505 Gibbs Rifles.

As some may be aware, I own an Original 505 Gibbs.

Well, I was at the Las Vegas gun show about 6-7 years ago
- with a couple of US people from this and AR forums and a friend from here in Aus.

Well, one of the US guys spotted an Original 505 Gibbs on a table for US$9000 - came and got us, we checked it out and "as per the honour system of first sighter gets first pick" he had first pick on it.

Well, he uummddd and aaarrrrrggghhh'd so much that by the time he went back a few hours later, it had been sold !!!

He wasn't the only one pissed off.

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450_Ackley
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: 500Nitro]
#177614 - 24/03/11 02:07 PM

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I should have guessed.

I'll look later but I think it is the one from Oakey Oil and Battery ?

Nigel,
It's not the Oakey one, Colin's rifle is based on an M17, I think the work done on his M17 to make it feed is near perfect, I believe Alex Beer made it up? You load a bit like a rimfire, in that you place the cartridge on the follower and push it down and back under the mag lips. It holds 3 down as well. Colin's is a nice rifle.

David.

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ozhunter
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Loc: Sydney, Australia

Re: Why such a price? [Re: 450_Ackley]
#177633 - 24/03/11 11:13 PM

The 404 and 500 are owned by a mate of mine. I looked at selling my Westley Richards and found that the Cases, Bullets and Dyes owed me over a grand let alone the rifle. Its surprising how quick the prices add up, be it a Custom rifle or Safari..
Knowing how long it takes to get a good custom done, this would be a good option for someone that does not want to wait.

Edited by CptCurl (30/03/11 11:53 AM)

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Dr_Deer
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: ozhunter]
#177634 - 24/03/11 11:18 PM

So does anyone know who made the rifle in question?

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ozhunter
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: Dr_Deer]
#177635 - 24/03/11 11:21 PM

If I remember correctly It was built by John Saunders old Smith Rolf Backnick?

Edited by CptCurl (30/03/11 11:54 AM)

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: ozhunter]
#177648 - 25/03/11 08:08 AM

Hi Ozhunter,

Rolf Backnick done some work for me, good bloke and has started to advertise again so I guess that his current job is a bit slow. His number is 03 97395744

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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500Nitro
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Loc: Victoria, Australia

Re: Why such a price? [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#177649 - 25/03/11 08:15 AM

Ah, that answers a question.

If you get work done by Rolf, beware, write everything down that you want him to do as he has his own ideas, regardless of what you tell him to do or (more importantly), not to do.
ie he'll do it anyway.

You have been warned. I have a Rigby DR that he re engraved one part of when I told him not to, their is a 577 DR with 22" barrels when they were supposed to be 24" and few others.

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Fontainebleu
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Loc: norway

Re: Why such a price? [Re: 500Nitro]
#201828 - 07/02/12 12:55 AM

Ah, the inevitable "why does a M98 cost so much" question.

The M98 is basically the mother(father;) ) of modern bolt-action rifles. With its non-rotating extractor and controlled feed, it is the most reliable dangerous game bolt-action mechanism.

You must keep in mind the M98 was developed when labour is cheap. It isnt anymore. The 1,3 kilo action is made from a 15 kilo lump of iron.

The Prechtl-Golmatic M98 Magnum action alone can cost up to 6000 dollars. Make of that what you want

Axel

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500Nitro
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: Fontainebleu]
#201829 - 07/02/12 01:04 AM

Fontainbleu

"The 1,3 kilo action is made from a 15 kilo lump of iron."

Is that so ? That is one hell of a ratio.

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Fontainebleu
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: 500Nitro]
#201833 - 07/02/12 02:51 AM

It is. check out this my friend 500nitro:

http://www.prechtl-waffen.de/Prechtl/de/Waffenteile/jagdwaffensysteme/wt-magnum

It is a work of art.

You have to keep in mind that modern systems are mostly developments in order to bring the cost down.
There is no replacing the thorough and well-thought out design and layout of the 1930s paul mauser action. It is simply as close to perfection as you get.

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500Nitro
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: Fontainebleu]
#201835 - 07/02/12 03:04 AM

Fontainbleu

Thanks for that. Had never thought that they needed 15Kg's to start with but I suppose you need somewhere to lock the machine onto to start with.

If ever I take my barrel out of my Magnum action 505 Gibbs,
it would be interesting to see what it weighs. I believe a 1930's.

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Fontainebleu
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: 500Nitro]
#201837 - 07/02/12 03:10 AM

I talked with the founder yesterday on the phone, their prices are very reasonable, more so than others in the business. I think this is down to the fact that they manufacture their own actions and as such have an inherent profit on the action as well as the finished product, whereas others have to buy their actions from them for quite a steep fee.

I was quoted 7000 euros for a express-sight complete M98 rifle in 9,3x62 caliber. A very reasonable price in my view ( around 9000 dollars) especially when you consider the fact that a Blaser Lux can run very similar - and comparing these two are like comparing a Chevy Matiz and a Aston Martin.
And this is coming from a guy with a blaser R93 in his locker!

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pjaln
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: Fontainebleu]
#201855 - 07/02/12 08:16 AM

they have a lancster in 375 built on a magnum mauser on there site for 6800 which seems reasonable...paul

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Fontainebleu
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: pjaln]
#201857 - 07/02/12 08:19 AM

link?

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pjaln
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Re: Why such a price? [Re: Fontainebleu]
#201967 - 08/02/12 02:22 PM

chapiusarmes popost has the link...paul

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