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carpediem4570
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How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting?
      #176152 - 24/02/11 02:53 PM

Good Day to All:

I got into a conversation with a friend of mine the other day about sport hunting, (allowing foreigners to hunt game for a fee), and the rate of poaching and animal herd decimation in a country.

Does anyone know which countries in Africa allow sport hunting and how is the animal population in relation to the countries that are closed to sport hunting? And, do the countries that have closed sport hunting have a higher incidence of poaching and a consequent decimation of the game herds?

I suggested that a country that allows sport hunting will manage the game because the government realizes the tourist dollars connected to the sport.

Suggestions, comments and criticisms always welcome

Kindest regards,

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: carpediem4570]
      #176158 - 24/02/11 05:20 PM

Republic of South Africa
Namibia
Botswana
Zimbabwe
Zambia
Mozambique
Tanzania
Uganda
Congo
Central African Republic
Cameroon
Benin
Burkina Faso
Ethiopia
Angola is making plans for Sport Hunting.
Sudan will also work on this.

Kenya is a good example of badly run non hunting Green Conservation.
Two examples are.
1; Amboseli and Tsavo west reserves and surrounding country have few Lion left due to local people's and dislike of Lion with the lack of value of game animals attributing to this (put a value on wildlife via tourism helps).

2; Due to the fact that Eco Tourist Safaris (Kenya's value on Wildlife) average only three to five days long means that the popular reserves such as the Masai Mara, Amboseli, Tsavo West, Meru and Samburu reserves are heavily used but only need to be a small area. The unspectacular and remote reserves are quite unpopular thus producing little tourist income so get little maintenance and support with poaching and massive human encroachment within being unrestrained. Put high paying/ low impact trophy hunters into these areas and you will see value placed on this land, Poachers and Illegal Settlers removed and a rapid increase of Wild life.

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: ozhunter]
      #176165 - 24/02/11 09:52 PM

Spot on Ozhunter, Kenya is a complete dog show! Although there are a lot of African countries that are being ineffectively managed, some management is better than none! I think that the closest you will get to "good" herd management (please note that I used inverted commas on this!) Is possibly Tanzania, or Botswana. Private farms here in South Africa are relatively well managed, but then generally speaking they are small areas........ if we could get stuck into Kruger..........

Without launching an anti green tirade......... if they realised how much damage was being done by incorrectly managed game instead of spouting forth their usual garbage, I think that they would be in a state of shock for a long time......... add to that the potential revenue losses to aid in PROPER wildlife management, are any of you surprised that we all dislike them so much?

It is high time that the world recognized that hunting is a sustainable, revenue generating form of wildlife management, as long as it is carried out by responsible PROFESSIONAL companies. (I know, you've heard it all before!) And to partly prove my point............

Just my 4000 00000 000000 00000 Zim dollars (sorry for the sarcasm, I will go and have a smoke, and calm down now.....)

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: Powdersmoke]
      #176169 - 25/02/11 01:23 AM

Mismanagement by so-called "Green" eco-terrorists is not limited to Africa.

The Idaho Panhandle Game Commissioner is a friend of mine and yesterday he told me they estimate unmanaged {hunting of them is banned} wolves are costing the state $30,000,000 per year, and game populations are decreasing everywhere wolves spread. We are now told here in my Unit there will be no cow elk season this year at all due to plummeting cow/calf ratios and devastated calf survival rate. Hasn't happened since elk populations were built up from nothing in the 1950's.

Thanks to the rogue United States Fish and Wildlife Service and fellow eco-terrorist "green" groups, the "Defenders of Wildlife" and "Earthjustice".

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #176174 - 25/02/11 02:44 AM

I am trying to find pictures of what happens when the eco terrorists get their way, I'll give you the story for now....... 21 elephants were relocated from South Africa to a private project in Namibia, the owner of the elephants advised against it, but the elephants had to go due to overstocking, he suggested that the elephants were culled, and the meat given to the "less fortunate". The greenies got to hear about it, and the elephants were moved onto a well vegetated piece of land that was probably suitable for 10 elephants (if memory serves, it was about 90-000 hectares) The land lasted 2 (two) years, and it now looks like a desert (wish I could find the pics), not even suitable for small game, due to them flattening the acacias, and then the grass, wind/water erosion washed away the topsoil, and literally made it into a desert. Oh yes the elephants starved to death, or were shot as crop raiders, and the greenies could not be reached for comment........... end result, same as owners initial idea, but a lot more painful for the animals, and of course the total destruction of the precious wilderness....... well done chaps. Better luck next time though.....

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: ozhunter]
      #176183 - 25/02/11 05:05 AM

Quote:

Republic of South Africa
Namibia
Botswana
Zimbabwe
Zambia
Mozambique
Tanzania
Uganda
Congo
Central African Republic
Cameroon
Benin
Burkina Faso
Ethiopia
Angola is making plans for Sport Hunting.
Sudan will also work on this.





Tunisia (if the last revolution dont have change anything)
Mauretania http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1621043/m/9351062821
Senegal???

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: lancaster]
      #176203 - 25/02/11 04:10 PM

Hunting is allowed in all countries except Kenia !

Senegal, Mali, Niger, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea, Tchad, Soudan ...

The problem in a lot of countries is the organisation of the hunt and the bad local political situation !

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: grandveneur]
      #176205 - 25/02/11 05:17 PM

I have Eritrea on my bucket list.

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: ozhunter]
      #176316 - 28/02/11 04:41 PM

Quote:

Republic of South Africa
Namibia
Botswana
Zimbabwe
Zambia
Mozambique
Tanzania
Uganda
Congo
Central African Republic
Cameroon
Benin
Burkina Faso
Ethiopia
Angola is making plans for Sport Hunting.
Sudan will also work on this.

Kenya is a good example of badly run non hunting Green Conservation.
Two examples are.
1; Amboseli and Tsavo west reserves and surrounding country have few Lion left due to local people's and dislike of Lion with the lack of value of game animals attributing to this (put a value on wildlife via tourism helps).

2; Due to the fact that Eco Tourist Safaris (Kenya's value on Wildlife) average only three to five days long means that the popular reserves such as the Masai Mara, Amboseli, Tsavo West, Meru and Samburu reserves are heavily used but only need to be a small area. The unspectacular and remote reserves are quite unpopular thus producing little tourist income so get little maintenance and support with poaching and massive human encroachment within being unrestrained. Put high paying/ low impact trophy hunters into these areas and you will see value placed on this land, Poachers and Illegal Settlers removed and a rapid increase of Wild life.



Well written.

I believe there are people eagerly awaiting Sudan becoming available to sport hunting when or if it stabilises.

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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: NitroX]
      #176423 - 01/03/11 10:35 PM

I think the distinction must be made between different types of hunting and shooting ..... for example (from what I have read) quite a few countries do not allow game trophy hunting but do allow bird hunting and such... perhaps even Kenya allows some wing-shooting ...no??

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Ben
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Re: How many African countries DO NOT allow sport hunting? [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #176439 - 02/03/11 06:54 AM

Kenya allows elephant killing for the dubious connections of the dubious president's dubious family. At least, that's how it was not too long ago. I hope it's changed for the better.

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