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Sarg
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Greener Facile Princeps 577 ??
      #175111 - 08/02/11 10:59 PM

Well I've been looking for a Top Lever Hammerless 577BPE or Light Nitro for a long time now & had a lot of fasle starts , just found this one , was stated as full Nitro , but at a very good price for a Nitro , then I remembered a story about a 577 being built on a Facile Princeps "Shot Gun Action"

It would be a brother to Marrakai's "Fat Lady" , I have asked for more detail , I have more photos & it really is a beauty , also been proofed in London 650Gr 2869 Bar , which I can not convert to any thing yet , weight is 11.5Lbs 24in barrels

What do you guys think on this , it is cheap for a full Nitro & about right to high for a 577BPE in this condition .

Keep looking for a real one , that will not doubt hold it's value or increase or look more seriously at this & what would it do ?

Thanks for your thoughts & ideas !

New info , yes it is using Light Nitro loads , 650Gr @ 1650Fps 3in apart at 50yds












Edited by CptCurl (09/02/11 09:56 PM)

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: Sarg]
      #175133 - 09/02/11 04:13 AM

That is the ugliest gun I have ever seen. You should feel ashamed to have that in your safe.

If you mail it to me I will quietly dispose of it so no one ever knows that you had it; and save you from becoming emberassed

Beautiful piece. It would be interesting to see what it does on the range.

What does the cartridge look like?

Kindest regards,

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: carpediem4570]
      #175156 - 09/02/11 08:45 AM

I think this gun sold at Australian Arms Auctions in the last year or so.
Looks like it would be a hoot!

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: Sarg]
      #175158 - 09/02/11 09:40 AM

Lovely gun Sarg.

The true factory nitro Greener's in a large calibre I have encountered have had a much larger bolster on the action body.

The worrisome issue with this design for a full nitro load is the inherent cracking of the stock at the scallop, and side safety regions. Have a good look at it before you finish the deal.

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: Sarg]
      #175162 - 09/02/11 12:20 PM

Looks nice Sarg!
What proof marks are there on the barrel flats?

2869 bar converts to 41,611 psi.

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: 4seventy]
      #175165 - 09/02/11 12:46 PM

Looks great Sarg!


Call Greener and get their side of the story.
Then, get some loads together and fly out here and chase some cougars with it!





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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: tinker]
      #175181 - 09/02/11 09:57 PM

Sarg,

That's a fine looking rifle. Please give more information. I would be proud to have that one.

Congratulations.

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: CptCurl]
      #175251 - 10/02/11 06:21 PM

Been away working sorry !

Ok , I havn't bought it yet , has not been for sale since 2003 or more , the one on that auction was a 577LN Cape Gun on a Empire shot gun , with a nice restock .

This is (Im 90% sure but have not heard back from the builder yet) built on a shotgun action & was reproofed in London as a rifle , with "Sleeved" stamped on the barrel flats , a amazing job was done on this shotgun/rifle .

It is , as I said a bother of Marrakai's "Fat Lady" made by the same people who make a few of them .
Meant to handle well , with the weight in the right places .

If the action is proofed to 41,611psi with a 650Gr , that must be close to full Nitro levels , mustn't it ?

My thoughts are what to do on buying it , spend my savings on this , which looks very nice , but it won't appreciate like a real Vintage Double Rifle would , but can be shot with real mondern hard bullets (I think) I dont like the Greener safety & as Generalwar saids , weak in the stock & not a reinforced action ?

So keep looking for the right one , or take a punt ?





Cartrigde looks like this , for Nitro , Light Nitro/Nitro for Black & BPE= Black Powder Express

Except NFB & BPE , more than likely would have Lead or paper patched slug .

Edited by CptCurl (11/02/11 10:24 PM)

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: Sarg]
      #175320 - 11/02/11 11:30 AM

PM sent.

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: Sarg]
      #175321 - 11/02/11 12:12 PM

Definitely would pass on it!

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: ]
      #175348 - 11/02/11 11:40 PM

PM sent.

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: CptCurl]
      #175383 - 12/02/11 09:40 AM

Thank you to all who have posted & PM me with info & thoughts , much appreciated !

Here is a target shoot at 5o yards , 2 softs & 2 soilds





And here is a full Nitro 577NE Greener double rifle action I saw some time ago , with the reinforcement strap , I have seen on another , so might be factory ?

The action LOOKS very much like the shot gun action , but I don't know size & weight of action .






Thanks to all !

Edited by CptCurl (12/02/11 10:07 AM)

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: Sarg]
      #175386 - 12/02/11 10:03 AM

In Greener’s book ‘The Greener Story’ on page 139 plate # 296 you can see what I was referring to on the bolster size on there double rifle frames.

I hope this information is useful.

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: ]
      #175448 - 13/02/11 01:08 PM

Thank you War , I didn't mean any thing towards what you said , as I'm sure you know more about doubles than I .

Just the only Large Greener I had a pic of , I think you are right on this rifle how ever .

The trouble is , I don't really want a 13Lb + Full Nitro rifle (and can not afford one) I like the old English rifles , but with the old barrel steel , modern bullets & solids are not so good .

So need a modern rifle or a conversion & get a nice old double to have & play with .

Should ask Sabatti to make a light Nitro 577 (light in load & weight) for me LoL !

Cheers

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Re: Greener Facile Princeps 577 ?? [Re: Sarg]
      #175451 - 13/02/11 03:27 PM

Sarg-


Check your PM.





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